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I sometimes get confused with the "letter" terminology in regards to neck shape.

Do not concern yourself, Officer Callahan. There's a 4/96 Clapton neck profile floating around somewhere that's also difficult to define. :wink:

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I sometimes get confused with the "letter" terminology in regards to neck shape. So the 10/56 is a V-shaped neck? I always thought that V-necks were more on the thin side like the early Fullerton reissue Strats. Supposedly the neck on my Custom Shop '52 Telecaster is a 10/56 Soft V-Shape "Boat Neck" but it looks more like a chunky D-neck to me. :?


The early Fullerton reissue Strats (i.e. the 57 reissue) had a C-shaped neck. Only much later did Fender change it to a period-correct V shape.

There is a big difference between a D and a V shape. Both necks can be pretty deep, however its all about "shoulders". A D shape would be very broad shouldered, while a V is examplary for a thin shouldered neck, hence the pointy V shape towards the deep bottom end.


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Robert R. wrote:
The early Fullerton reissue Strats (i.e. the 57 reissue) had a C-shaped neck. Only much later did Fender change it to a period-correct V shape.

Maybe that's why I always thought my guitar was special. The neck felt so different and so comfortable. I'm the type of person who likes to play all different neck shapes because it makes me play differently and when I go back to my '62 Reissue it's like a whole new world compared to my other guitars.

I also can see now that my CS '52 Tele does indeed have a soft V shape but I would say that it is almost halfway from there to a chunky D. :D


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I have a JW black 94 issue thinking of selling it, contact me if interested it is NOS never played and a beautiful guitar!

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On a Custom shop Guitar several people may have added their 2 Cents - On a Team-built it's basically the same. On a Master built the MB Comes by from time to time. Like signing the headstock, filing the nut and maybe final set-up.

My guess would be a Master builder oversees a Master built . There is no way he has the time from start to finish to build that whole guitar.

I'm not saying this in a bad way - Just stating my thoughts. I am sure a Masterbuilt guitar gets more attention from the Masterbuilder . He probably designed it. And set it up..And added a few touches here and there but he wouldn't have time to build every inch of all those guitars. There is just no way possible ..

Not that I'm not a die hard Fender guy I am, and always will be. Which one's are Masterbuilts???

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Which one's are Masterbuilts???


I can't tell from the pics...a MB isn't about the look....So, if you'd be so kind as to send them my way for "test drive"....I'm sure that I would then be able to tell you which is which...and I'd be more then happy to help you in that way :wink:


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On a Master built the MB Comes by from time to time. Like signing the headstock, filing the nut and maybe final set-up.


Where are you getting that info from? Did you witness that first hand during a visit? IF you did....Then I would have to say that you and I had dramatically DIFFERENT experiences.

I had the pleasure of visiting the shop just over a year ago...and I can tell you at that time...I saw nothing like you are describing...I was walked around to each Masterbuilder's work area (large cubical, mini workshops. Filled with tools and parts and half built guitars) and introduced to each, and what I saw was them (just the Masterbuilders)....working on their orders...ALONE. Yep, sorry to burst your bubble man...but I didn't see ANY of them overseeing a group of workers or waiting to simply sign headstocks or slot some nuts.

There were a couple of apprentices in the shop...that's TWO total that I saw...in the whole shop. When I asked about them, it was explained that they would be spending some time with each Masterbuilder to experience some different techniques from each. I'm pretty sure that one of those guys is the new Masterbuilder they now have...but I can't remember his name (sorry man).

The masterbuilt and the teambuilt sections, (while located in the same part of the building), are NOT what I would call "CO-located" they are two distinctly different areas...and BOTH sides were busy with work....The teambuilt side moves like well a oiled machine...those pit crews in NASCAR got nothing on the CS teambuilt division! LOL! I think anyone (even a Masterbuilder) might get hurt if he jumped into the middle of that action...plopping down a neck and saying..."could you folks fret and shape that up for me.....give me a ring when it's ready for me to sign, would you?" NO FRIGGIN WAY.

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He probably designed it. And set it up..And added a few touches here and there but he wouldn't have time to build every inch of all those guitars. There is just no way possible ..


It's an interesting theory.....but really how many exactly.....are they really pumping out??? All I know is my last two orders took about a year and a half to build...I'm expecting that at least 3 of the 5 orders I've placed this year will probably take the same amount of time...in years past it was a much quicker experience...but in these days...increased output does indeed mean increased wait time...so it's not like they are just popping these things out...it does take some time...and that even with all of the machines and equipment at their disposal....obviously they aren't all winding every set of pups (Although Cruz seems to be....might explain why the wait time for one of his builds can be up to 2 years)....I don't "think" that they personally spray the paint on every guitar...they do have a paint-shop...but who knows maybe they do??? I do know that they personally apply certain finishes...BY HAND. AND that those beautiful goldleafed finishes are also personally applied by hand by the masterbuilder....then personally vacuumed up by them as well...they make quite a mess from what I've heard :wink:


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These are NOT pics from my visit.....but they are a perfect illustration of the kind of thing I saw....Masterbuilder...ALONE....Building a guitar.

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SCROLL down the page on this web-page and you'll see some great shot of Yuriy doing his thing...

http://www.shishkovguitars.ru/info.php?linxy_jaguar

Here's Greg Fessler doing his thing...

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Todd Krause....

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I mean C'mon now....ALL OF THOSE GUYS....Are Master woodworkers, guitar builders...a pretty far cry from the glorified "set-up" guys, overseers and headstock signers... that you're describing them as.

Man...This has to be an OLD pic! :wink:

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LOL! Just joking Mike....I know you put in many an hour building...especially for Mr. Grover J.


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zSPECTREz wrote:
...It's an interesting theory.....but really how many exactly.....are they really pumping out??? ...


Must have been a great experience to have been given the privilege to visit CS. Think it's great they do these kind of things for their best customers.

On the remark I've quoted; I do regret that not all Masterbuilders have their own serial numbers. As far as I know guys like Yuri Shishkov and John Cruz maintain their YS and JC serial numbers. Too bad Todd Krause stopped using his TK serial numbers (at least, the last Claptons I saw from him carried regular CZ numbers..).

zSPECTREz, would you happen to know when he stopped using the TK numbers?


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zSPECTREz, would you happen to know when he stopped using the TK numbers?


Nope...I don't, sorry man. :wink:


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I've had some very special Team and Masterbuilt guitars and some average ones. I've also had some great experiences with four Masterbuilders and a not so great experince with a fifth builder. When I think back on all the Cuatom Shop Strats and Teles I've had over the years, and I've had quite a few, each one has been good. However, some had more mojo than others, just as pre CBS guitars did and do. Recently I picked up what may be the best Fender guitar I've ever played from any era. It's a new 2009 Teambuilt NOS Nocaster that Frank of the Music Gallery ordered with some non standard specs. It was one of two twins just hanging on the wall when I walked in. I really do think that Fender is doing a lot of things right, but it doesn't hurt to play as many guitars as you can in order to find the one that's "just right" for you.

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I used up the whole summer to build my first bass. I will finish it next summer with mother pearl on fret inlays next summer.

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Which one's are Masterbuilts???


I can't tell from the pics...a MB isn't about the look....So, if you'd be so kind as to send them my way for "test drive"....I'm sure that I would then be able to tell you which is which...and I'd be more then happy to help you in that way :wink:


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On a Master built the MB Comes by from time to time. Like signing the headstock, filing the nut and maybe final set-up.


Where are you getting that info from? Did you witness that first hand during a visit? IF you did....Then I would have to say that you and I had dramatically DIFFERENT experiences.

I had the pleasure of visiting the shop just over a year ago...and I can tell you at that time...I saw nothing like you are describing...I was walked around to each Masterbuilder's work area (large cubical, mini workshops. Filled with tools and parts and half built guitars) and introduced to each, and what I saw was them (just the Masterbuilders)....working on their orders...ALONE. Yep, sorry to burst your bubble man...but I didn't see ANY of them overseeing a group of workers or waiting to simply sign headstocks or slot some nuts.

There were a couple of apprentices in the shop...that's TWO total that I saw...in the whole shop. When I asked about them, it was explained that they would be spending some time with each Masterbuilder to experience some different techniques from each. I'm pretty sure that one of those guys is the new Masterbuilder they now have...but I can't remember his name (sorry man).

The masterbuilt and the teambuilt sections, (while located in the same part of the building), are NOT what I would call "CO-located" they are two distinctly different areas...and BOTH sides were busy with work....The teambuilt side moves like well a oiled machine...those pit crews in NASCAR got nothing on the CS teambuilt division! LOL! I think anyone (even a Masterbuilder) might get hurt if he jumped into the middle of that action...plopping down a neck and saying..."could you folks fret and shape that up for me.....give me a ring when it's ready for me to sign, would you?" NO FRIGGIN WAY.

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He probably designed it. And set it up..And added a few touches here and there but he wouldn't have time to build every inch of all those guitars. There is just no way possible ..


It's an interesting theory.....but really how many exactly.....are they really pumping out??? All I know is my last two orders took about a year and a half to build...I'm expecting that at least 3 of the 5 orders I've placed this year will probably take the same amount of time...in years past it was a much quicker experience...but in these days...increased output does indeed mean increased wait time...so it's not like they are just popping these things out...it does take some time...and that even with all of the machines and equipment at their disposal....obviously they aren't all winding every set of pups (Although Cruz seems to be....might explain why the wait time for one of his builds can be up to 2 years)....I don't "think" that they personally spray the paint on every guitar...they do have a paint-shop...but who knows maybe they do??? I do know that they personally apply certain finishes...BY HAND. AND that those beautiful goldleafed finishes are also personally applied by hand by the masterbuilder....then personally vacuumed up by them as well...they make quite a mess from what I've heard :wink:
Your pictures are just showing finishing touches. Who's cutting the necks the bodies. Painting ??The relicing ? All I see it your pictures are finishing touches. That was the point of my remark. I didn't say it was bad. I surely couldn't do it. But to say a master builder builds the whole guitar may be correct, but he doesn't make the whole guitar. Hopefully your not to upset. That was not my intent. To often what is written down is misunderstood as to the full meaning.. My thinking of a master builder is someone who builds a guitar from a blank piece of wood.


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I don't know what is master and not master but I spent the whole summer to build this bass and you are asking me to send it over to your place for test drive. Ha ha!


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Your pictures are just showing finishing touches. Who's cutting the necks the bodies. Painting ??The relicing ? All I see it your pictures are finishing touches. That was the point of my remark. I didn't say it was bad. I surely couldn't do it. But to say a master builder builds the whole guitar may be correct, but he doesn't make the whole guitar. Hopefully your not to upset. That was not my intent. To often what is written down is misunderstood as to the full meaning.. My thinking of a master builder is someone who builds a guitar from a blank piece of wood.


Hmm.. I'm NOT upset in the least...It just seems to me to be in poor taste to comment on what IS or IS NOT done by the Masterbuilder's when one really has no first hand experience or factual knowledge of what they do.

I was simply giving you my first hand account of what I witnessed while I was there...mostly because it was extremely different then the picture you were painting.

Even after having personally visited I couldn't tell you if the necks or bodies are personally run through the machines by each masterbuilder or not. I do know that they know how to do it...during my visit the masterbuilder that was showing me around showed me each piece of machinery...explained how it worked and even told me some stories about his personal experience operating that particular machinery in the past. There was one fellow operating one of the machines...it was George Fullerton's son!! Yes THAT George Fullerton...I thought that was pretty cool.

Either way, to me it's pointless whether he rough cut the neck or body....the magic is in the finishing anyways.

Whether he is the guy painting it (probably not) or he sends it to the paint shop, doesn't really matter to me either...MOST custom shops (like the automotive type) send the parts out for paint. Either way it's still the Masterbuilder that ensures that it's done to perfection.

I wonder if there are ANY guitar builders that actually build EVERY part of the guitar? By your definition I wouldn't think so...That would mean that they would have to manufacture all of their own metal and plastic works as well...No? I mean IF they don't then it wouldn't be quite correct to claim to have really "Built" the whole guitar.


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I don't know what is master and not master but I spent the whole summer to build this bass and you are asking me to send it over to your place for test drive. Ha ha!


Your build looks very nice...BUT...my comment wasn't directed to your bass :wink:


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