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IMHO that is the one with the most beautiful flame neck Clapton has ever played. The way it looks in the picture, all worn and grey just makes it beyond cool. :)


Yes it's one of my favourites too!


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Hmm, maybe EC still has them in store somewhere... If not, I should assume that one phone call to Mike S. will suffice. :wink:


Of course EC can tell Todd to recreate the "24 Nights" Blackie and order a lot of fancy straps from Ernie Ball. Not sure about the suits. He can't go wrong with his long hair. The only problem is his shaven face and his glasses. There is also a lot of difficulties about how to reform the Journeyman-era touring band: Nathan East, Tessa Niles, Katie Kissoon, Greg Phillinganes, Steve Ferrone, Ray Cooper, Chuck Leavell and Alan Clark.


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Robert R. wrote:
Hmm, maybe EC still has them in store somewhere... If not, I should assume that one phone call to Mike S. will suffice. :wink:


Of course EC can tell Todd to recreate the "24 Nights" Blackie and order a lot of fancy straps from Ernie Ball. Not sure about the suits. He can't go wrong with his long hair. The only problem is his shaven face and his glasses. There is also a lot of difficulties about how to reform the Journeyman-era touring band: Nathan East, Tessa Niles, Katie Kissoon, Greg Phillinganes, Steve Ferrone, Ray Cooper, Chuck Leavell and Alan Clark.


If you fancy a real throw-back to the early nineties look and sound, the real issue is the straps. I understand these were made by Gianni Versace.


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Hey guys, hope you all had a nice weekend. The finish on the Cream Strat was reported to be super glue. I asked Todd point blank if I could have that finish and he told me that it wont make one bit of difference to the appearance of the guitar and that on the downside, that finish has to be constantly applied to the neck of the guitar, making it quite a bit of an inconvenience, plus he's not entirely sure that that neck actually used super glue. We're supposed to talk today regarding the advances on the guitar. I'll keep you posted.


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Hey guys, hope you all had a nice weekend. The finish on the Cream Strat was reported to be super glue. I asked Todd point blank if I could have that finish and he told me that it wont make one bit of difference to the appearance of the guitar and that on the downside, that finish has to be constantly applied to the neck of the guitar, making it quite a bit of an inconvenience, plus he's not entirely sure that that neck actually used super glue. We're supposed to talk today regarding the advances on the guitar. I'll keep you posted.


It doesn't seem to have the superglue-style grey 'wear marks' all over it so it quite possibly isn't. Those marks are the #1 visual telltale. Given it's age and how much play it's had you'd surely expect some. The only marks seem to be the actual wood figuring (if that's the right word).


I wonder why SG finish needs constant attention (?). I seem to remember someone mentioning that Lee Dickson had said he got sick of doing touch-ups.


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stipe_mills@hotmail.com wrote:
Hey guys, hope you all had a nice weekend. The finish on the Cream Strat was reported to be super glue. I asked Todd point blank if I could have that finish and he told me that it wont make one bit of difference to the appearance of the guitar and that on the downside, that finish has to be constantly applied to the neck of the guitar, making it quite a bit of an inconvenience, plus he's not entirely sure that that neck actually used super glue. We're supposed to talk today regarding the advances on the guitar. I'll keep you posted.


It doesn't seem to have the superglue-style grey 'wear marks' all over it so it quite possibly isn't. Those marks are the #1 visual telltale. Given it's age and how much play it's had you'd surely expect some. The only marks seem to be the actual wood figuring (if that's the right word).


I wonder why SG finish needs constant attention (?). I seem to remember someone mentioning that Lee Dickson had said he got sick of doing touch-ups.


If you check the Cream reunion DVD you will find there is a lot of greyish wear on the neck, particularly on the 12th - 17th fret region. I believe the Cream strat is also pictured in the booklet of the 2006 CD Clapton did with J.J. Cale; again clearly showing extensive wear marks. Admittedly; I'm not an expert on telling the finish from the type of wearmarks, however if the vague greyish marks are representative for superglue, the marks on the Cream Strat seem to fit the bill pretty nice.

Why it needs attention?
(a) It's reportedly the previous favorite finish of EC (ME told elsewhere on the forum that EC currently prefers the satin urethane finish).
(b) I would assume that there is a portion of fans that would like an axe exactly like Claptons (why else would a Blackie Tribute fetch USD 20k....).
(c) Since it is, apparently, not available any longer it gathers a bit of 'mythical legends' atmosphere. Just like the Brazilian rosewood thing; the day Fender stopeed using it, everyone wanted a Brazilian rosewood board. People just want something exclusive, the SG finish adds to that...
(d) Reportedly it is like the holy grail on neck finishes, since the finish being so thin makes the neck resonate very well while the finish also makes sliding up and down the neck easier (like satin urethane slides better than nitro)


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Robert R. wrote:
If you check the Cream reunion DVD you will find there is a lot of greyish wear on the neck, particularly on the 12th - 17th fret region. I believe the Cream strat is also pictured in the booklet of the 2006 CD Clapton did with J.J. Cale; again clearly showing extensive wear marks. Admittedly; I'm not an expert on telling the finish from the type of wearmarks, however if the vague greyish marks are representative for superglue, the marks on the Cream Strat seem to fit the bill pretty nice.


I think I know what you're referring to, but I thought they were part of the wood figuring as the neck looked like that back in 98.
A sort of pale / dark region above the 12th fret.


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stipe_mills@hotmail.com wrote:
Hey guys, hope you all had a nice weekend. The finish on the Cream Strat was reported to be super glue. I asked Todd point blank if I could have that finish and he told me that it wont make one bit of difference to the appearance of the guitar and that on the downside, that finish has to be constantly applied to the neck of the guitar, making it quite a bit of an inconvenience, plus he's not entirely sure that that neck actually used super glue. We're supposed to talk today regarding the advances on the guitar. I'll keep you posted.


Hi Stipe,

Glad to hear that there are other people around interested in the super glue finish. :wink: The thing that suprised me is that TK did not give you a straight "no!" for an answer. Elsewhere I heard that the SG finish is no option because of the toxic nature of the product, which would be a perfectly sensible explanation why Fender would not want to use it.

If the SG finish would need constant attention, that's a big drawback and would make that type of finish considerably less desirable.

Please keep me informed. If it still IS an option, this would bring my desire for a super accurate Cream Strat back into the realm of the possible....


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Why it needs attention? (a) It's reportedly the previous favorite finish of EC(ME told elsewhere on the forum that EC currently prefers the satin urethane finish). (b) I would assume that there is a portion of fans that would like an axe exactly like Claptons (why else would a Blackie Tribute fetch USD 20k....). (c) Since it is, apparently, not available any longer it gathers a bit of 'mythical legends' atmosphere. Just like the Brazilian rosewood thing; the day Fender stopeed using it, everyone wanted a Brazilian rosewood board. People just want something exclusive, the SG finish adds to that...


Perhaps you misunderstood me (?). I meant why does it need constant maintenance - ie, someone like Lee (former tech) needing to apply refinishing to the neck, constant reapplication of the SG finish.


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Robert R. wrote:
If you check the Cream reunion DVD you will find there is a lot of greyish wear on the neck, particularly on the 12th - 17th fret region. I believe the Cream strat is also pictured in the booklet of the 2006 CD Clapton did with J.J. Cale; again clearly showing extensive wear marks. Admittedly; I'm not an expert on telling the finish from the type of wearmarks, however if the vague greyish marks are representative for superglue, the marks on the Cream Strat seem to fit the bill pretty nice.


I think I know what you're referring to, but I thought they were part of the wood figuring as the neck looked like that back in 98.
A sort of pale / dark region above the 12th fret.


If the SG finish is as weak as Stipe reports, it is likely that a guy like EC would play straight through it within a year, possibly even faster. It would explain a lot of the extensive wear you see on many of EC's axes in the nineties. Look at how well the EC Grey Strats are holding out; EC has been using them since 2006 and the necks still look perfectly clean.


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If you check the Cream reunion DVD you will find there is a lot of greyish wear on the neck, particularly on the 12th - 17th fret region. I believe the Cream strat is also pictured in the booklet of the 2006 CD Clapton did with J.J. Cale; again clearly showing extensive wear marks. Admittedly; I'm not an expert on telling the finish from the type of wearmarks, however if the vague greyish marks are representative for superglue, the marks on the Cream Strat seem to fit the bill pretty nice.


I think I know what you're referring to, but I thought they were part of the wood figuring as the neck looked like that back in 98.
A sort of pale / dark region above the 12th fret.


If the SG finish is as weak as Stipe reports, it is likely that a guy like EC would play straight through it within a year, possibly even faster. It would explain a lot of the extensive wear you see on many of EC's axes in the nineties. Look at how well the EC Grey Strats are holding out; EC has been using them since 2006 and the necks on them still look perfectly clean.


Yes I totally agree, the finish is "weak" - it reacts with the skin oils easily.

That was my point.

The markings on this Cream Strat (as we call it) have been there since 'day one' back in 98 (from video footage) and not got any different over all the years - hence my suspicion its not a SG one but rather just the really unusual figuring of this particular neck :)


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If you check the Cream reunion DVD you will find there is a lot of greyish wear on the neck, particularly on the 12th - 17th fret region. I believe the Cream strat is also pictured in the booklet of the 2006 CD Clapton did with J.J. Cale; again clearly showing extensive wear marks. Admittedly; I'm not an expert on telling the finish from the type of wearmarks, however if the vague greyish marks are representative for superglue, the marks on the Cream Strat seem to fit the bill pretty nice.


I think I know what you're referring to, but I thought they were part of the wood figuring as the neck looked like that back in 98.
A sort of pale / dark region above the 12th fret.


If the SG finish is as weak as Stipe reports, it is likely that a guy like EC would play straight through it within a year, possibly even faster. It would explain a lot of the extensive wear you see on many of EC's axes in the nineties. Look at how well the EC Grey Strats are holding out; EC has been using them since 2006 and the necks on them still look perfectly clean.


Yes I totally agree, the finish is "weak" - it reacts with the skin oils easily.

That was my point.

The markings on this Cream Strat (as we call it) have been there since 'day one' back in 98 (from video footage) and not got any different over all the years - hence my suspicion its not a SG one but rather just the really unusual figuring of this particular neck :)


Hmm, if only we had a direct line to EC or Lee Dickson.... 8)

Btw; nobody on the forum seems to have noticed that Crash III and Goldleaf are up for sale again.....


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Btw; nobody on the forum seems to have noticed that Crash III and Goldleaf are up for sale again.....


Well I hadn't! :lol: Any more info Robert?


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LeftyElliot wrote:

Perhaps you misunderstood me (?). I meant why does it need constant maintenance - ie, someone like Lee (former tech) needing to apply refinishing to the neck, constant reapplication of the SG finish.


Duhhh, yes I misunderstood you there... I figured you were wondering why people kept talking about it... as in that sort of attention... Now I see you mean the sort of attention as in why it needs maintenance.... apologies... :oops:


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