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Thank you Lefty, I went through the hole link that you pointed out. I spoke to Todd yesterday about it and he told me he's finishing the paint on the body and the tint on the flamed neck and he'll have more about it, possibly pics the next Monday. It's really exciting because I think its one of the coolest looking strats Clapton has ever played. Todd told me the neck was built by J. Black and after he retire he took over the making of the Clapton strats, so he knows all the inside scoop and assured me the result would be pretty spot on.
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That's great, can't wait to see some pics. An interesting project! I agree it's a cool Strat (or neck) dating back to '98 (That's the earliest date I know of it being used). JWB sure did a lot of highly figured necks during his time building for Eric. This particular one and the flamed one that Mike Stevens did must be the two most famous now :wink: :D


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Stipes: Compare and contrast the necks on the Tribute guitar vs. the guitar being built for you with respect to neck profile. The Signature Series guitars were supposed to carry forward the neck on the old Blackie but I've heard differently from others who also purchase the Tribute.

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Well yeah, I chose from 4 different woods and tried to pick the most flamed one so hopefully this will help, but the thing that drives home the flame patern is the tint of the neck which is what Todd is going to try and replicate the best way possible. Obviously it won't be identical, that's an impossibility but it will be pretty spot on according to Todd.
Doc, yeah as soon as I get it which I'm hoping it would be no later than June 28, i'll take some measurements.


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stipe_mills@hotmail.com wrote:
Well yeah, I chose from 4 different woods and tried to pick the most flamed one so hopefully this will help, but the thing that drives home the flame patern is the tint of the neck which is what Todd is going to try and replicate the best way possible. Obviously it won't be identical, that's an impossibility but it will be pretty spot on according to Todd.
Doc, yeah as soon as I get it which I'm hoping it would be no later than June 28, i'll take some measurements.

The history of that replica you're building is well documented in the '04 Christies Auction Catalog. In the matter of the neck profile..do you have any hands on familiarity with the current Clapton neck. If so, any impressions?

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Stipes: Compare and contrast the necks on the Tribute guitar vs. the guitar being built for you with respect to neck profile. The Signature Series guitars were supposed to carry forward the neck on the old Blackie but I've heard differently from others who also purchase the Tribute.


I have an interview with EC where he says the original Blackie neck was "It's almost triangular on the back - V-shaped - with a slightly curved fingerboard, as opposed to the flat one. That to me is the best"

The only Blackie 'Tribute' I've played certainly wasn't almost triangular, infact it was less-V shaped than the Todd built EC I have! It was quite rounded.

Compare that to the pics of that actual EC strat (midnight blue MK build) I posted up which seems to show a VERY triangular neck.


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The history of that replica you're building is well documented in the '04 Christies Auction Catalog. In the matter of the neck profile..do you have any hands on familiarity with the current Clapton neck. If so, any impressions?


Really? EC didn't include this particular Strat (neck) in those auctions (?)
He did include the original black 'prototype' but not the 'Cream Reunion' one :D


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The only Blackie 'Tribute' I've played certainly wasn't almost triangular, infact it was less-V shaped than the Todd built EC I have! It was quite rounded.

Right! That's precisely what I've been told.

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Really? EC didn't include this particular Strat (neck) in those auctions (?)
He did include the original black 'prototype' but not the 'Cream Reunion' one :D
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"Tswhy I hate doing this from the office where I don't have access to my library. No doubt you're correct. I recall that there was some neck swapping back then...probably with the prototype Signature Blackie and not involving the guitar stipes is building. Thanks.

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ZZDoc wrote:
"Tswhy I hate doing this from the office where I don't have access to my library. No doubt you're correct. I recall that there was some neck swapping back then...probably with the prototype Signature Blackie and not involving the guitar stipes is building. Thanks.


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stipe_mills@hotmail.com wrote:
Thank you Lefty, I went through the hole link that you pointed out. I spoke to Todd yesterday about it and he told me he's finishing the paint on the body and the tint on the flamed neck and he'll have more about it, possibly pics the next Monday. It's really exciting because I think its one of the coolest looking strats Clapton has ever played. Todd told me the neck was built by J. Black and after he retire he took over the making of the Clapton strats, so he knows all the inside scoop and assured me the result would be pretty spot on.

Now regarding the Blackie tribute, I have it on storage and its case, I do play it about 3 or 4 times a year but only very little and only at home and that's just to ensure the neck, the action and string tension are doing ok. I wouldn't feel very comfortable on taking that guitar to a gig, precisely for the reasons you mention, wear, tear, breakage, loss, etc. I do have it for collection purposes but also because its one of the greatest sounding strats I ever played. I do love it and when I bought I had to part ways with a lot of instruments in my collection, starting with a Jimmy Page Double Neck VOS which to this day still hurts.

Let me know what you think.

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Thanks very much for your elaborate reply Stipe. Both the guitars you address here (the Tribute and the Cream strat) are the ones that also stand out for me.

I've been trying to get a grasp on the Blackie Tribute thing for quite some time now; it seems like most people I talk to are seeing these guitars mainly as collectors items and not so much as a player. Understandably so given the investment value of the object and possible loss of value if anything happened to it. Still, from my personal point of view, I would find it strange to acquire an intrument only to 'retire' it immediately after purchase... I'm afraid I would play it a lot... Maybe its not the right guitar for me given the designated use I have in mind for it.

Robert (it's confusing lefty and I have the same avatar :wink: )


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Hey guys!

Maybe I'll be all over the place on this one but please bear with me.

I think I remember Todd telling me that the neck of the Cream Strat was the only figured neck Clapton kept (after the auctions) and after the Noiseless Pickups came out Clapton swapped the lace sensors for the noiselss pickups.

This guitar is probably one of the very few strats from clapton certainly the only flamed neck one (according to TK) that didn't go into the 99 or 04 auctions.

With respect to the Tribute strat, I know, I know that guitars are ment to be played but that particular guitar is real a rare bird, maybe not so much in the States, but definetly here in Mexico, so the risk of being stolen or not regarded with respect by other fellow musicians or scratched is too great, and that's why I only play it very little and at home. I know its borderline sacrilege but it is what it is.

Let's see how it turns out, I can't wait to see pics of the neck.

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It's possible to order these Clapton LTDs with Lace Sensors instead of Vintage Noiseless? (not necessarily the Daphne, but the EC Grey surely!).

I like the 1990s Journeyman/24 Nights-era Clapton sounds so much and the EC Grey LTD with Lace Sensors appears to be a good choice for any Slowhand fan liking the stuff of the so-called "Soldano" period, although a bit darker than the original Pewter signature models Eric used at the time.


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stipe_mills@hotmail.com wrote:
Hey guys!

Maybe I'll be all over the place on this one but please bear with me.

I think I remember Todd telling me that the neck of the Cream Strat was the only figured neck Clapton kept (after the auctions) and after the Noiseless Pickups came out Clapton swapped the lace sensors for the noiselss pickups.

This guitar is probably one of the very few strats from clapton certainly the only flamed neck one (according to TK) that didn't go into the 99 or 04 auctions.


It's certainly the only one I know of... from the point of view of a casual (ok, maybe a bit more) fan! :D

The last time I saw it with the original Lace Sensors was the Tsunami gig in Wales. Later that year the Cream gigs came along and it had Noiseless fitted. I don't know if it was just the pups that were swapped or a whole new body fitted to that old neck (?)


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I saw Eric playing that guitar while recording "Back Home"'s electric tracks (One Track Mind, Revolution, So Tired, Lost & Found...) 5 years ago. He looked very elegant with his Sony headphones.

Not sure if it's the original flamed maple neck built by Michael Stevens back in the late 1980s.


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Not sure if it's the original flamed maple neck built by Michael Stevens back in the late 1980s.


It isn't. That neck went on the Black Strat that was sold in the auction. This one was made by JW Black.


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