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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:25 pm
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I would also expect that if you ordered a Masterbuilt guitar in EC Gray it would also come so equipped and sans the neck plate on the LTD because it would not be part of that series, finish notwithstanding.


Hmmm....Yamano Music in Japan....has several MB EC Grey and Daphne, all WITH the "Limited Edition" Neck Plate...So I would assume that it shouldn't be any different here.


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I would also expect that if you ordered a Masterbuilt guitar in EC Gray it would also come so equipped and sans the neck plate on the LTD because it would not be part of that series, finish notwithstanding.


Hmmm....Yamano Music in Japan....has several MB EC Grey and Daphne, all WITH the "Limited Edition" Neck Plate...So I would assume that it shouldn't be any different here.

I speculated in that the LTD is proported to be Custom Shop built and I would expect that to be a different project from a Masterbuilt personal order.

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ZZDoc wrote:
I would also expect that if you ordered a Masterbuilt guitar in EC Gray it would also come so equipped and sans the neck plate on the LTD because it would not be part of that series, finish notwithstanding.


Guess Fender's stance on the whole thing is that the two colors (Daphne & EC G.) are the distinguishing factor in determining if its part of the limited edition series, which can come either as Teambuilt or Masterbuilt. Would be a bit disappointing for the Masterbuilt customers (who after all pick up the biggest tab) to be deprived of the Ltd edition logo on the neckplate. They already miss out on the ltd edition logo on the back of the headstock, due to the master builder signature. Poor fellas... :wink:


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IMHO, the early European ltd edition guitars will be the most sought after because these have the black ltd edition CS case.

Seems like Fender changed the neck plate a bit too: the current guitars feature the CS tagline "when you're ready". The older ones did not have that quote on them.


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Robert R. wrote:
IMHO, the early European ltd edition guitars will be the most sought after because these have the black ltd edition CS case.

Seems like Fender changed the neck plate a bit too: the current guitars feature the CS tagline "when you're ready". The older ones did not have that quote on them.


I believe there were some US orders on the UK release hedging the chance that there would not be a US offering. Apparently those early birds certainly caught the worm on that one. 8)

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EC Grey is a darker variant of Pewter.

BTW, why not to add Daphne Blue and EC (aka "Grigio") Grey as a regular color option on the stock Custom Claptons? These colours seem to gain a burst of popularity since they were introduced.

The Custom Shop offers the EC signature Strat with the colour options found on the production versions of the guitar, together with a thinskin nitrocellulose lacquer finish. You can order these beauties from Wildwood.


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chromeface wrote:
...BTW, why not to add Daphne Blue and EC (aka "Grigio") Grey as a regular color option on the stock Custom Claptons? These colours seem to gain a burst of popularity since they were introduced. ...



Obviously they are nice colors, but part of the burst of popularity is also the fact that they are limited edition instruments. If just popularity was the only factor Fender took into consideration when deciding to make certain type of guitar a regular model, then we would have had a regular Blackie Tribute, a regular Monterey Pop, etc. Keeping some items limited adds to the mystique.


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Fender had never released the Clapton signature Strat in the much desirable tobacco sunburst finish. The reason is obvious: in order to build a "Brownie" signature model, we must have Eric's consentment first, even he played a Team Machine Custom '56 NOS during the Hootenanny Blues shows with Jools Holland in 2005.

Here's an Eric Clapton signature "Brownie". This guitar is not mine, it's a partcaster made up from an EC Strat neck and an Allparts 2-tone sunburst alder body. Comes complete with blocked tremolo, Gold Lace pickups and active tbx/mdx electronics. Brian Friend, the owner of this guitar, was apparently tired of looking at the old Pewter body and changed it to an Allparts 2-tone sunburst.

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You guys have done an extraordinary job of confusing me. I looked at two sites this evening; both carry the EC model for 1500 and the EC model for 3500; one of them (Sweetwater) lists BOTH models as having the TBX; and, one of them includes videos of the $3500 model suggesting the TBX is part of the circuit EC uses to crank up his sound, though not actually stating such (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig1nq016_KQ). So, how many versions of the EC are there for 2010, and what's the sonic disadvantage of owning the $1500 model over the $3500 model?


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You guys have done an extraordinary job of confusing me. I looked at two sites this evening; both carry the EC model for 1500 and the EC model for 3500; one of them (Sweetwater) lists BOTH models as having the TBX; and, one of them includes videos of the $3500 model suggesting the TBX is part of the circuit EC uses to crank up his sound, though not actually stating such (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig1nq016_KQ). So, how many versions of the EC are there for 2010, and what's the sonic disadvantage of owning the $1500 model over the $3500 model?


Here's how it works: both the TBX and the Midboost are master tone adjustments, they work for all pickups. The TBX is a passive tone control and located closest to the volume; at 5 it is what would be 10 on a regular tone pot. Dailing from 5 to 10 on the TBX adds a little treble by gradually bypassing the tone pot altogether. The Midboost is an active tone control; at 0 it gives the normal sound while dailing in towards 10 gradually gives more mid an lows while rolling off some of the treble. This control also gives a significant volume boost.

As to availability of these controls:
Production line (i.e. the USD 1,500): TBX and Midboost
CS Teambuilt (i.e. the USD 3,500): TBX and Midboost
CS Masterbuilt: regular tone control and Midboost.

Sonic (concerning sound versatility....) disadvantage of the USD 1,500 model: NONE. CS is a much better quality build however.

Hope this helps you out.


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chromeface wrote:
Fender had never released the Clapton signature Strat in the much desirable tobacco sunburst finish. The reason is obvious: in order to build a "Brownie" signature model, we must have Eric's consentment first, even he played a Team Machine Custom '56 NOS during the Hootenanny Blues shows with Jools Holland in 2005.

Here's an Eric Clapton signature "Brownie". This guitar is not mine, it's a partcaster made up from an EC Strat neck and an Allparts 2-tone sunburst alder body. Comes complete with blocked tremolo, Gold Lace pickups and active tbx/mdx electronics. Brian Friend, the owner of this guitar, was apparently tired of looking at the old Pewter body and changed it to an Allparts 2-tone sunburst.

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Hmm, there is no official Tobacco Sunburst finish from Fender. Clapton always named it a tobacco sunburst, probably because of the large amount of brown in the finish, which is not particularly beautiful to my eye; IMHO it gives an instrument a cheap look as you'll find just that type of finish on a bottom range Squier guitar.

There is footage on Youtube of the Hootenanny show you are referring to. Check it and you'll find the instrument in question is a relic, not a NOS. Really an odd choice for EC, since (a) I assume he owns plenty of the real thing, and (b) ever since the switch to the Clapton Strat in the mid 80's he's been playing brand new strats.


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That two-tone sunburst is nice result. Back to the issue. I would also expect that any attempt at a Tribute 'Brownie' would require the loan of the guitar from Paul Allen.

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lindseyp wrote:
You guys have done an extraordinary job of confusing me. I looked at two sites this evening; both carry the EC model for 1500 and the EC model for 3500; one of them (Sweetwater) lists BOTH models as having the TBX; and, one of them includes videos of the $3500 model suggesting the TBX is part of the circuit EC uses to crank up his sound, though not actually stating such (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig1nq016_KQ). So, how many versions of the EC are there for 2010, and what's the sonic disadvantage of owning the $1500 model over the $3500 model?


Here's how it works: both the TBX and the Midboost are master tone adjustments, they work for all pickups. The TBX is a passive tone control and located closest to the volume; at 5 it is what would be 10 on a regular tone pot. Dailing from 5 to 10 on the TBX adds a little treble by gradually bypassing the tone pot altogether. The Midboost is an active tone control; at 0 it gives the normal sound while dailing in towards 10 gradually gives more mid an lows while rolling off some of the treble. This control also gives a significant volume boost.

As to availability of these controls:
Production line (i.e. the USD 1,500): TBX and Midboost
CS Teambuilt (i.e. the USD 3,500): TBX and Midboost
CS Masterbuilt: regular tone control and Midboost.

Sonic (concerning sound versatility....) disadvantage of the USD 1,500 model: NONE. CS is a much better quality build however.

Hope this helps you out.

Well done. Can't tell you how many times we've retold this in the past two years. I wish Fender would post this in the products section so interested parties would have it available to them.

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ZZDoc,
So do I, because I couldn't find this answer in the search function;

RobertR,
Thank you much for the response;

Both of you guys enjoy your day, you have been a big help.


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ZZDoc,
So do I, because I couldn't find this answer in the search function;

RobertR,
Thank you much for the response;

Both of you guys enjoy your day, you have been a big help.

The specs of both the Artist Series and Custom Shop Signature Series guitars are provided in their respective products sections. What was lacking, and what took us some time to pull together were some find details, some of which were provided by ME. Only the Masterbuilt guitar lacks the TBX. It is essentially 'as built for the artist." Both the Masterbuilt and CS guitars will have attention to period details such as vintage routing and two piece bodies. The Artist series guitars share the stock bodies of the production line, meaning three piece bodies, and HSH routing. Signatures differ in appearance and location. I suppose one might ask that a Masterbuilt Clapton go unsigned, which is the way he has them done. Let us know what your final choice is.

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