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Only difference my old eyes can spot is that it doesnt give a "month" as the build date, but states NAMM '94. Of course the guitar was built prior to that!


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Only difference my old eyes can spot is that it doesnt give a "month" as the build date, but states NAMM '94. Of course the guitar was built prior to that!


Even the COA's a one-off. Listen, the way they do things out there some times, you have to be thankful for small miracles. The credentials on this one are impeccable.

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if anyone would be the adopted son of alain, it would have to be me. our collections combined would be legandary. +I'll pay room & board! how bout it? :o :wink:


Having you remember us when YOU are 64 will be sufficient. Having acquired a collection the likes of his would be sublime. We wish you the best on both counts. May providence be kind. :wink:

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Butterscotch wrote:
Only difference my old eyes can spot is that it doesnt give a "month" as the build date, but states NAMM '94. Of course the guitar was built prior to that!


Correct my friend.
I've never seen another one like that.
I own several "NAMM" guitars , but there is always a specific date.
Butterscotch ? Sherlock Holmes !!! you made it twice...
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if anyone would be the adopted son of alain, it would have to be me. our collections combined would be legandary. +I'll pay room & board! how bout it? :o :wink:


Having you remember us when YOU are 64 will be sufficient. Having acquired a collection the likes of his would be sublime. We wish you the best on both counts. May providence be kind. :wink:


Ah, the younger generation, it's good they are there, motivated by the same passion as us.


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I've been wrong all through this thread! :oops:
Good eyes Butterscotch! :wink:


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I've been wrong all through this thread! :oops:
Good eyes Butterscotch! :wink:


Just don't go running out to find a Fender Support Group because of this, Lite'nin. You already have one.

If you check 'the back of the headstock' photo you'll notice that the logo is in the original artwork established at the inception of the Custom Shop. That too has been changed by Fender.

So the fact that the COA is a tad unique is simply a matter of business as usual at Fender. If you recall, we were having a grand old time trying to figure out the system of sequencing serial numbers on the Gilmour Strats about a year ago this time, and the matter of the dating of the early Clapton Strats has not yet been explained to my satisfaction.

What counts is that all is well in France , Alain remains one happy camper, and we all have been priviledged to share in this. Something we likely would never have had the opportunity to see with our own eyes.

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zzdoc wrote:
fhopkins wrote:
I've been wrong all through this thread! :oops:
Good eyes Butterscotch! :wink:

...If you check 'the back of the headstock' photo you'll notice that the logo is in the original artwork established at the inception of the Custom Shop. That too has been changed by Fender...
Doc :wink:


Doc,
Note that the late John English has been allowed during his entire career at the Fender Custom Shop to keep his own logo as seen above.


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zzdoc wrote:
fhopkins wrote:
I've been wrong all through this thread! :oops:
Good eyes Butterscotch! :wink:


... If you recall, we were having a grand old time trying to figure out the system of sequencing serial numbers on the Gilmour Strats about a year ago this time, ...
Doc :wink:


During his stop over in Paris in his Road Show, ME explained to us that to avoid distortion in the value of any guitar in limited editions, they just put serial number plates on several hooks on a wall and the CS staff were picking them as and when. When needed new plates were piled up onto the extisting ones thus shuffling any possibility of relation between the serial number and the date of ineption of the guitar.


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So they do it on purpose. You cant date the guitar without the coa, neck heel/pocket dating or CS involvement. I can see the sense in that myself. It makes a guitar harder to forge. You'd have to be very determined to clone every last aspect and need to have the original as a constant reference point.

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alainlafrance wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
fhopkins wrote:
I've been wrong all through this thread! :oops:
Good eyes Butterscotch! :wink:


... If you recall, we were having a grand old time trying to figure out the system of sequencing serial numbers on the Gilmour Strats about a year ago this time, ...
Doc :wink:


During his stop over in Paris in his Road Show, ME explained to us that to avoid distortion in the value of any guitar in limited editions, they just put serial number plates on several hooks on a wall and the CS staff were picking them as and when. When needed new plates were piled up onto the extisting ones thus shuffling any possibility of relation between the serial number and the date of ineption of the guitar.



So it all comes down to random selection. It's about time. What did it take?? A year or more. I've removed impacted teeth more easily that it took to finally get that relevant bit of information. Fortunately, Alain spent a king's ransom on a guitar which brought us to this. :wink:


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alainlafrance wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
fhopkins wrote:
I've been wrong all through this thread! :oops:
Good eyes Butterscotch! :wink:

...If you check 'the back of the headstock' photo you'll notice that the logo is in the original artwork established at the inception of the Custom Shop. That too has been changed by Fender...
Doc :wink:


Doc,
Note that the late John English has been allowed during his entire career at the Fender Custom Shop to keep his own logo as seen above.


Do you happen to know when they moved to the crest artwork? I have seen other pieces with the older logo either unsigned or signed by other builders.

,A colleague of mine, to whom I have just shown a photo of the guitar, asks if you happen to know how they finished the surface to prevent the paint from flaking. He observed that, to the best of his knowledge, aluminum does not hold paint well. His hobby is customizing automobiles.

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A colleague of mine, to whom I have just shown a photo of the guitar, asks if you happen to know how they finished the surface to prevent the paint from flaking. He observed that, to the best of his knowledge, aluminum does not hold paint well. His hobby is customizing automobiles.


The aluminium body is selectively colored by anodisation, not painted. It's a delicate and somewhat erratic process that very few people master but which have been fully mastered by Peter Kellett.

http://www.peterkellettart.com/html/index.html


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Nevin1985 wrote:
Its like a more complicated process of electroplating.

I'm not a tech but I think so


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alainlafrance wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
A colleague of mine, to whom I have just shown a photo of the guitar, asks if you happen to know how they finished the surface to prevent the paint from flaking. He observed that, to the best of his knowledge, aluminum does not hold paint well. His hobby is customizing automobiles.


The aluminium body is selectively colored by anodization, not painted. It's a delicate and somewhat erratic process that very few people master but which have been fully mastered by Peter Kellett.

http://www.peterkellettart.com/html/index.html


Thanks for the link. Quite talented.

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