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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:50 am
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I understand why ME just appeared shortly.
So will do I :?


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Ditto! ....and I expect it's the guitar on the cover of the first edition of Duchossoir's book and playing in my collection of taped Prince's Trust Concerts. The red one likely with Eric Clapton and Friends...Nathan East, Greg Philinganes, and Phil Collins.

OK....so we're tying some loose ends together.

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Ditto! ....and I expect it's the guitar on the cover of the first edition of Duchossoir's book and playing in my collection of taped Prince's Trust Concerts. The red one likely with Eric Clapton and Friends...Nathan East, Greg Philinganes, and Phil Collins.

OK....so we're tying some loose ends together.

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Doc :wink:


....Actually...on reading further in the lots, perhaps not on the red one. Who knows??? So many guitars........... :?

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You guys are still on this one, eh?

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but you can't make him put on the scuba gear. :wink:

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Miami Mike wrote:
You guys are still on this one, eh?
You can lead a horse to water,
but you can't make him put on the scuba gear. :wink:


Depends which reef you're diving. 8) Go check out ME's Forum. I just posted another conundrum. :shock: Now I'm definitely going to take the neck off that '89 Clapton of mine.

Catch you later.

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I've added to photobucket a pic of the letter that came with the guitar.

"signed" by Yasuhiko Iwanade...

Anyone know his sig?

I am aware and within my statute of limitations ....but isn't fraud a special case?


There are some Tone Arts guitars by Yasuhiko Iwanade at this site:

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~dottokom/ra ... on2005.htm

It looks like his signature is on the back of headstock of the guitars. It doesn't look like the signature on your letter.

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The first 'Blackie' Prototype was built by Mike Stevens and is an exact copy of the real Blackie and was finished in early 1988. Here is a pic. Here is the first Clapton prototype (1998, Mike Stevens)
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Well now that I've had the opportunity to check my facts you, of course, have it right. This is the guitar I described in detail earlier and the headstock IS signed.

The other was described as "circa 1996, Stratocaster, Master built production sample" built by Larry Brooks and was built following a meeting between John Page and Larry Brooks to reflect some changes Eric wanted to make in the signature guitars. This was in 1993. One was that he didn't want his signature on his personal instruments. The headstock is NOT signed.

Why this all happened three years before the guitar's 'dating' by Christies is beyond me which is why I am becoming convinced that all this attention we've been giving to serial numbers and dates is mindless. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it as we learned a year ago when the Gilmours were released. It will be interesting to see what they do 'numbers-wise' with the new Mayer.

In any event, it certainly is interesting and I remain quite impressed with the way members have dug into the research and brought the information to the attention of the group.

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Hey ZZ, hope you're well.

My favourite EC Strat is that (above). Appeared in the summer of 1990. Remember that neck above (Flamed Maple) was the neck introduced in 1988 onto one of the original Pewters - when it went from 21 to 22 frets. The other Pewter got switched to the Birdseye Maple 22 fret. That flamed neck also had a very brief spell on a 7-Up Green Strat before finally settling on that Black Strat (above).
Mike Stevens did both the flamed and birdseye necks - superglue finishes, hence the 'wear' marks. He told me it was pretty evil stuff! lol


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[quote="LeftyElliot"]Hey ZZ, hope you're well. My favourite EC Strat is that (above).

Owned one like it in the production 'BLACKIE' version..'93. Bought it used in great condition. Swapped it out for my Custom Shop guitar based on that platform. I've described it in detail elsewhere so often it begs not doing so again. They just didn't get the neck right, so it went toward my Gilmour. Meanwhile I landed an '89 Pewter with a three digit SE9#, in very good condition and it's a honey. The neck is far better than that '93.

The 'neck' history you related is reminicent of DG's 'Black Strat'. Damn difficult tracking the 'stock' history of these things. I am about to give up all these pursuits. Too much confusion. Besides, I own representative instruments of some of the best....Clapton, Gilmour and Paul and I couldn't catch up to Alain if I world enough and time, the bankroll and wanted to, so..........

I know of your preference for these guitars. I recall your postings of many months ago. Sad, the whole business of the OP.

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Interesting quest (Hello Elliot)
Difficult to get a firm opinion as it happened 20 years ago...
I'll contact John Page, just in case...but next week as I'm not in Paris ...
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[quote="LeftyElliot"]quote]

As a second thought to your commentaries, I would expect that I can assume the neck on my ?89 :? (if you get my tongue in cheek), is pretty much what the original concept was, it hopefully being earlier enough in the initial release to live up to that expectation. Now there's the matter of that '4/96' profile which I believe is on "The Triplets" and according to Alain was a bit slimmer. Did THAT neck ultimately find its way to the CS Signature Guitar.

Man....the minutiae we perseverate on. :roll:

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zzdoc wrote:
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As a second thought to your commentaries, I would expect that I can assume the neck on my ?89 :? (if you get my tongue in cheek), is pretty much what the original concept was, it hopefully being earlier enough in the initial release to live up to that expectation. Now there's the matter of that '4/96' profile which I believe is on "The Triplets" and according to Alain was a bit slimmer. Did THAT neck ultimately find its way to the CS Signature Guitar.

Man....the minutiae we perseverate on. :roll:

Doc :wink:


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From all the info I got it seems that EC was not too strict on the effective shape of a neck and as long as it suited him at a certain time of his career; it was OK.
Thus difficult to know about an EC neck.
The triplets were much recent than what we are talking about.
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The triplets were much recent than what we are talking about.
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2003 if my memory serves me. Was is not a so-called '4/96' neck which served as the template on that project.?

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The triplets were much recent than what we are talking about.
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2003 if my memory serves me. Was is not a so-called '4/96' neck which served as the template on that project.?

You've a better memory than I :wink:


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The triplets were much recent than what we are talking about.
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2003 if my memory serves me. Was is not a so-called '4/96' neck which served as the template on that project.?

You've a better memory than I :wink:


Merci 8) Mai, vous ave le gitarre :shock: :wink:

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