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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:05 am
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one of the problems I foresee is that I need ammunition.
I've returned guitars before with an apprasal or evaluation from one or more experts as the case required.
But finding an expert on this one is proving to be difficult.
So I would need to do something like disprove the signatures?
Like say for example the sig on the letter, prove that is not true.
Or have a letter from GBlanda stating that guitar never was made by Fender.
Incidentally, the person who did this if indeed it is a concoction was very close to Fender employees if not one himself.
The only conspiracy theory I have is that these guitars should not have been sold??


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The first 'Blackie' Prototype was built by Mike Stevens and is an exact copy of the real Blackie and was finished in early 1988. Here is a pic. Here is the first Clapton prototype (1998, Mike Stevens)
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Curiouser and curiouser......reminds me of that scene in the movie "Spartacus" when more than one individual stood and claimed to be him. :? Where did you source this from?

See my post on this thread on page three, the narrative wherein I reference the Mike Stevens guitar. The description is directly from the auction catalog as well as my verbal discription of the appearance of the headstock.


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zzdoc wrote:
davidos wrote:
The first 'Blackie' Prototype was built by Mike Stevens and is an exact copy of the real Blackie and was finished in early 1988. Here is a pic. Here is the first Clapton prototype (1998, Mike Stevens)
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Curious.... where did you source this from? See my post on this thread on page three, the narrative wherein I reference the Mike Stevens guitar. The description is directly from the auction catalog as well as my verbal discription of the appearance of the headstock.

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http://www.stratcollector.com/newsdesk/ ... 00243.html


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Click here: Michael Stevens Comments On Two Instruments to be Sold in the Upcoming Eric Clapton Crossroads Auction

Click here: Fender Custom Shop


Click here: John Page Interview (Text and Audio)

zhere is an excerpt from the Page interview that is relevant to this thread but the whole interview is fun:

The artists were thrilled that they could finally have easy access to real Fender guitars made to their specs. When Mike and I first started, before we even started making the walnut benches, we worked on the Eric Clapton Signature Model. Dan Smith and George Blanda had already begun work on the early instruments, so when we started, we all pitched in to make the final versions and the ones that went to the trade show.


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[quote="jk456"]one of the problems I foresee is that I need ammunition.

You don't need ammunition. The vender represented the veracity of what what sold to you. What you need do is advise the vendor that you intend to bring an action for fraud in the absolute, asking for a refund of your purchase price, plus penalties and court costs, unless your purchase is refunded, and do so if not.

Once served, the vendor will be obliged to retain counsel. In the process of discovery the veracity of the documentation will either be confirmed or denied. Perhaps the mere threat of, or actual service of a summons and complaint will remedy your issue and refund your investment. Once served, it will cost the vendor something, but you will have to make the financial committment for the initial retention of counsel.

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http://www.stratcollector.com/newsdesk/ ... 00243.html



http://www.proguitarshop.com/index.php?CategoryID=574


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http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/002826.html


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davidos wrote:
zzdoc wrote:
davidos wrote:
The first 'Blackie' Prototype was built by Mike Stevens and is an exact copy of the real Blackie and was finished in early 1988. Here is a pic. Here is the first Clapton prototype (1998, Mike Stevens)
Image[/img]


Curious.... where did you source this from? See my post on this thread on page three, the narrative wherein I reference the Mike Stevens guitar. The description is directly from the auction catalog as well as my verbal discription of the appearance of the headstock.

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http://www.stratcollector.com/newsdesk/ ... 00243.html


Interesting.....isn't it. :shock: That's definitely not the guitar pictured in the catalog and you have my quotes correctly. I had the book and the photo in front of me at the writing. This will have to wait until late tonite for further investigation.

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FROM WIKIPEDIA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton_Stratocaster


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The first early prototypes made around 1986/87 featured 21 frets and locking strap buttons. Few of these prototypes had an active/passive toggle button. The final product (released in 1988) came with 22 frets and three Fender Gold Lace Sensor pickups powered by an active mid-boost circuit with 25dB of gain and TBX tone controls. These world famous pickups (made by AGI Lace Music Products since 1985) were used exclusively by Fender until 1996. Powerful active 25dB midrange boost and TBX tone circuits (first introduced in 1983 with the shortlived Elite Series instruments, which have been discontinued at the end of 1984) helped augment the tone of the sound delivered, opening up a greater tonal range Clapton desired. Also, the guitar had an interesting feature: a vintage-style synchronized tremolo bridge blocked off to tremolo arms. This idea came about as Clapton preferred the tone of hardtail Stratocasters and had no use for the whammy bar. In 1991 Eric agreed to have his signature model with a rosewood fretboard as well to suit the needs of players disliking the feel of maple-neck models. However, only 94 of these shortlived guitars were made and their production finally ceased.


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[quote="jk456"]FROM WIKIPEDIA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton_Stratocaster

Most of what we've hashed out on this is pretty much consistent from other sources as well and the outcome not unlike several versions of eyewitnesses to a bank robbery. Each of the participants remembers something different. In any event, an interesting diversion from the usual demands of my day for which I thank all of you.

The question , at hand, is the guitar in your posting. I need to get back to the catalog before I comment further. There's more than one guitar of that ilk in there.

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Another interesting piece on the history of the Sig EC Strat

http://www.whereseric.com/ecfaq/guitars ... aster.html


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jk456 wrote:
Another interesting piece on the history of the Sig EC Strat

http://www.whereseric.com/ecfaq/guitars ... aster.html


This also fits my commentary above. Somewhere in it all is what really happened and, I would suspect, we'll really never know precisely. Too many of the sources are no longer with us.

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is this what you are looking for?

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/sear ... 35432&pg=3


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zz - yes many puzzles to put together - Everyone love's a mystery I guess

The Christie's guitars were built in 87 for Eric as a final version prototypes. Like the ones Mike Stevens built.
But everyone acknowledges that prior to those final prototypes several versions were tested in the electronics, at different boost levels and with and without switch , 21 vs 22, lace sensors vs. noiseless.etc.
All the while Eric was trying to get the best of both his 57 strat neck and his 30's Martin Neck. I think that required a bit of experimentation too.
Arriving at the "ideal " neck profile for Eric...why not?


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According to the Christies literature The prototype sold at the auction (Pewter) was made in 1986 and looks nothing like the guitar you have which has a 1987 stamp on it...

"According to George Blanda of Fender, he made one red and two pewter Clapton Signature Stratocaster prototypes in 1986. They had serial numbers V000007, V000008 and V000009. These were presented to Clapton who apparently used them for recording August and for stage work throughout 1986 and 1987. The pewter Strat V000009 in this lot is one of these prototypes. (According to Lee Dickson, the red prototype was given by Clapton to English cricketer Ian Botham as a gift in exchange for a his bat.) This guitar originally had a twenty-one fret neck and an 'Original Contour Body' decal on the headstock and was pictured on the cover of A.R. Duchossoir's book, with that neck in 1988. The original twenty-one fret neck was subsequently exchanged for a twenty-two fret neck, put on by Mike Stevens of Fender Custom Shop later that year. This guitar with its present neck served as Clapton's main stage guitar during his 1989 Royal Albert Hall season. It remained as the back up guitar with the introduction of the black signature models in mid-1990."


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No COA,
No Invoice
No specific purchase date
I understand why ME just appeared shortly.
So will do I :?


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