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THE YOUNG MAN WRITES:Well the thing is I want to buy my Strat and call it my own that it was mine not some signature one from an artist even though Dave is a huge inspiration to me. Do you get what I mean? But was that other guy right that it would cost over 3000 for all that.[/quote]

My first guitar was a Harmony acoustic which I electrified with a couple of store bought DeArmond pickups whose tone pots I disassembled and jerryrigged into the guitar through the F-holes. The money I earned from small gigs and my job in a supermarket paid for my first real electric...a '58 black Danelectro w/twin lipstick tubes. The money I earned from that bought me my bandmate's "58 Stratocaster and '61 Fender Concert amp when he traded up for the Jaguar and a Dual Showman amp. It was with the Strat that I worked professionally for the next 7 years among which other jobs put me through college. Then I hit the bricks for the real world and serious professional education.

It wasn't until about 15 years ago that I got back into it and started treating myself to the kind of gear you're talking about now. I've gone through a Fernandez, a Tele-Plus, a 'Gilmourizied' American Standard Strat, a Clapton, a couple of PRS's, and a Buddy Guy Polka Dot. My first CS was about 5 years ago. That one I spec'd out. I swapped it out for a Gilmour NOS last September. My present arsenal:
'08 Gilmour NOS; '89 Pewter Clapton; '08 FSR Deluxe VG Aged CherrySunburst; '02 Gibson Custom Shop HeritageLP Tobacco Burst Quilt top.

There's an old saying: "The difference between men and boys is the type and the price of their toys." Patience!! "When you're ready".
Unitl then....consider what Mike has suggested...and hang out here awhile.

You'll feel good :D

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We don't "modify" production guitars so you would have to get it refinished. The Comfort Contoured body should be a Strat with the arm and belly contours.

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THE YOUNG MAN WRITES:Well the thing is I want to buy my Strat and call it my own that it was mine not some signature one from an artist even though Dave is a huge inspiration to me. Do you get what I mean? But was that other guy right that it would cost over 3000 for all that.[/quote]

My first guitar was a Harmony acoustic which I electrified with a couple of store bought DeArmond pickups whose tone pots I disassembled and jerryrigged into the guitar through the F-holes. The money I earned from small gigs and my job in a supermarket paid for my first real electric...a '58 black Danelectro w/twin lipstick tubes. The money I earned from that bought me my bandmate's "58 Stratocaster and '61 Fender Concert amp when he traded up for the Jaguar and a Dual Showman amp. It was with the Strat that I worked professionally for the next 7 years among which other jobs put me through college. Then I hit the bricks for the real world and serious professional education.

It wasn't until about 15 years ago that I got back into it and started treating myself to the kind of gear you're talking about now. I've gone through a Fernandez, a Tele-Plus, a 'Gilmourizied' American Standard Strat, a Clapton, a couple of PRS's, and a Buddy Guy Polka Dot. My first CS was about 5 years ago. That one I spec'd out. I swapped it out for a Gilmour NOS last September. My present arsenal:
'08 Gilmour NOS; '89 Pewter Clapton; '08 FSR Deluxe VG Aged CherrySunburst; '02 Gibson Custom Shop HeritageLP Tobacco Burst Quilt top.

There's an old saying: "The difference between men and boys is the type and the price of their toys." Patience!! "When you're ready".
Unitl then....consider what Mike has suggested...and hang out here awhile.

You'll feel good :D

Doc :wink:


Doc,

When you say you have a Gilmourized Strat, do you mean the EMG Active set? If so, what is the solution with the battery in the body? Where did you safely and conveniently secure it?


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zzdoc wrote:
THE YOUNG MAN WRITES:Well the thing is I want to buy my Strat and call it my own that it was mine not some signature one from an artist even though Dave is a huge inspiration to me. Do you get what I mean? But was that other guy right that it would cost over 3000 for all that.[/quote]

My first guitar was a Harmony acoustic which I electrified with a couple of store bought DeArmond pickups whose tone pots I disassembled and jerryrigged into the guitar through the F-holes. The money I earned from small gigs and my job in a supermarket paid for my first real electric...a '58 black Danelectro w/twin lipstick tubes. The money I earned from that bought me my bandmate's "58 Stratocaster and '61 Fender Concert amp when he traded up for the Jaguar and a Dual Showman amp. It was with the Strat that I worked professionally for the next 7 years among which other jobs put me through college. Then I hit the bricks for the real world and serious professional education.

It wasn't until about 15 years ago that I got back into it and started treating myself to the kind of gear you're talking about now. I've gone through a Fernandez, a Tele-Plus, a 'Gilmourizied' American Standard Strat, a Clapton, a couple of PRS's, and a Buddy Guy Polka Dot. My first CS was about 5 years ago. That one I spec'd out. I swapped it out for a Gilmour NOS last September. My present arsenal:
'08 Gilmour NOS; '89 Pewter Clapton; '08 FSR Deluxe VG Aged CherrySunburst; '02 Gibson Custom Shop HeritageLP Tobacco Burst Quilt top.

There's an old saying: "The difference between men and boys is the type and the price of their toys." Patience!! "When you're ready".
Unitl then....consider what Mike has suggested...and hang out here awhile.

You'll feel good :D

Doc :wink:


Doc,

When you say you have a Gilmourized Strat, do you mean the EMG Active set? If so, what is the solution with the battery in the body? Where did you safely and conveniently secure it?


This issue has been discussed on several threads, within the past week or two in fact.

However,...the guitar, no longer owned by me, was a '97 MIA Standard to which I fitted the DG-20. The guitar, with the old swimming pool rout, did not give me the option of routing a pocket in the trem cavity ala the Clapton. I set the battery against the wall of the trem rout in the place of one or two springs, and the back plate held it in.( I habitually block the trems in my guitars. My new Gilmour and VG will not be modded so. My Clapton, of course, is. Therefore, in the '97 I also had the mass block stopped which was of some help in stabilizing the trem.)


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I have a question since I won't be getting the custom shop or masterbuilt to expensive how am I going to get the neck I want? Fender don't make necks separate. :(

Also this is pretty close to what I want just want a paint job for olympic white, change pickups, pickguard and rewire to tone 2 for middle and bridge.
http://www.fender.com/products//search. ... 0100132806

I was wondering is that guitar a HSH config?


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zzdoc wrote:
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zzdoc wrote:
THE YOUNG MAN WRITES:Well the thing is I want to buy my Strat and call it my own that it was mine not some signature one from an artist even though Dave is a huge inspiration to me. Do you get what I mean? But was that other guy right that it would cost over 3000 for all that.[/quote]

My first guitar was a Harmony acoustic which I electrified with a couple of store bought DeArmond pickups whose tone pots I disassembled and jerryrigged into the guitar through the F-holes. The money I earned from small gigs and my job in a supermarket paid for my first real electric...a '58 black Danelectro w/twin lipstick tubes. The money I earned from that bought me my bandmate's "58 Stratocaster and '61 Fender Concert amp when he traded up for the Jaguar and a Dual Showman amp. It was with the Strat that I worked professionally for the next 7 years among which other jobs put me through college. Then I hit the bricks for the real world and serious professional education.

It wasn't until about 15 years ago that I got back into it and started treating myself to the kind of gear you're talking about now. I've gone through a Fernandez, a Tele-Plus, a 'Gilmourizied' American Standard Strat, a Clapton, a couple of PRS's, and a Buddy Guy Polka Dot. My first CS was about 5 years ago. That one I spec'd out. I swapped it out for a Gilmour NOS last September. My present arsenal:
'08 Gilmour NOS; '89 Pewter Clapton; '08 FSR Deluxe VG Aged CherrySunburst; '02 Gibson Custom Shop HeritageLP Tobacco Burst Quilt top.

There's an old saying: "The difference between men and boys is the type and the price of their toys." Patience!! "When you're ready".
Unitl then....consider what Mike has suggested...and hang out here awhile.

You'll feel good :D

Doc :wink:


Doc,

When you say you have a Gilmourized Strat, do you mean the EMG Active set? If so, what is the solution with the battery in the body? Where did you safely and conveniently secure it?


This issue has been discussed on several threads, within the past week or two in fact.

However,...the guitar, no longer owned by me, was a '97 MIA Standard to which I fitted the DG-20. The guitar, with the old swimming pool rout, did not give me the option of routing a pocket in the trem cavity ala the Clapton. I set the battery against the wall of the trem rout in the place of one or two springs, and the back plate held it in.( I habitually block the trems in my guitars. My new Gilmour and VG will not be modded so. My Clapton, of course, is. Therefore, in the '97 I also had the mass block stopped which was of some help in stabilizing the trem.)


I haven't had much time to hang out around here, so sorry if you don't like repeating yourself. I was afraid you were going to tell me that you put the battery in the trem cavity. Thanks, you were the final nail on the DG EMG guitar coffin. Looks like I'll be going all the way for that one and the Custom Shop is going to give me a better solution.


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THE YOUNG MAN WRITES:[i]Well the thing is I want to I haven't had much time to hang out around here, so sorry if you don't like repeating yourself. I was afraid you were going to tell me that you put the battery in the trem cavity. Thanks, you were the final nail on the DG EMG guitar coffin. Looks like I'll be going all the way for that one and the Custom Shop is going to give me a better solution.



I really didn't intend to put you off. I'm often writing late at night or early in the morning. It was my intention that you look for those current threads. Though we have discussed this many times in the past, for this first time there are some interesting photos of the matter relating to your OP and the attempted solutions.

The DG-20 does not have the same 'b--lls' as the Clapton midboost, but if your interest is in a variety of active circuit instruments it would be one to have in your collection. It is definitely more for a lead guitar role than comping. The new Gilmour, though minus the active circuitry, has a more versatile choice of voices.

With respect to your OP, either a battery box, as in the old Powerhouse Strat, or a pocket cut in the trem cavity a la the Clapton might be the way to go. If the CS is to build your guitar for the DG-20 then you will not need the routing for boost circuit and will save yourself some wood. If you are going SSS, definitely ask for a vintage rout as opposed to the generic HSH routing they are doing for the production line.

On an esthetic note, my guitar was an LE Ash body/natural finish/with a rosewood board. The DG-20 pickguard and beige plastic parts really looked awesome on that guitar. I had the opportunity to acquire a used '97 Clapton in awesome condition, and not being particular to the so-called "modern C-shaped neck", I put the original equipment back in the guitar and swapped the guitar and the DG-20 separately towards the Clapton.

Keep us posted on your progress in this and again, sorry for the crossed wires.

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zzdoc wrote:
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zzdoc wrote:
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THE YOUNG MAN WRITES:[i]Well the thing is I want to I haven't had much time to hang out around here, so sorry if you don't like repeating yourself. I was afraid you were going to tell me that you put the battery in the trem cavity. Thanks, you were the final nail on the DG EMG guitar coffin. Looks like I'll be going all the way for that one and the Custom Shop is going to give me a better solution.



I really didn't intend to put you off. I'm often writing late at night or early in the morning. It was my intention that you look for those current threads. Though we have discussed this many times in the past, for this first time there are some interesting photos of the matter relating to your OP and the attempted solutions.

The DG-20 does not have the same 'b--lls' as the Clapton midboost, but if your interest is in a variety of active circuit instruments it would be one to have in your collection. It is definitely more for a lead guitar role than comping. The new Gilmour, though minus the active circuitry, has a more versatile choice of voices.

With respect to your OP, either a battery box, as in the old Powerhouse Strat, or a pocket cut in the trem cavity a la the Clapton might be the way to go. If the CS is to build your guitar for the DG-20 then you will not need the routing for boost circuit and will save yourself some wood. If you are going SSS, definitely ask for a vintage rout as opposed to the generic HSH routing they are doing for the production line.

On an esthetic note, my guitar was an LE Ash body/natural finish/with a rosewood board. The DG-20 pickguard and beige plastic parts really looked awesome on that guitar. I had the opportunity to acquire a used '97 Clapton in awesome condition, and not being particular to the so-called "modern C-shaped neck", I put the original equipment back in the guitar and swapped the guitar and the DG-20 separately towards the Clapton.

Keep us posted on your progress in this and again, sorry for the crossed wires.

Doc :wink:


No worries Doc, I see how you talk to people here and I know you weren't trying to be abrasive. I was just making sure I wasn't crossing your wires.

Anyway I've been toying with the idea of having a DG EMG loaded CS Strat ordered. The pickups sound great and they are much different than what I already have loaded in my guitars.

It looks like we're on the same page with some of the aesthetics. The guitar I've been planning for the p'ups isn't actually based on Gilmour's red Strat. I was watching one of Gilmour's concerts more recent concerts and I fell in love with his backup guitarist's Strat. It had Gilmour's EMGs but it was a blonde or dessert sand Strat. I've been feeling a bit spoiled with the neck of my one off and I liked the idea of the battery box, so the custom shop seemed like the way to go. I don't like the idea of an unsecured battery or it being tied up somewhere under the pickguard. One is annoying to me and the other is inconvenient. I just wonder what else the CS could come up with as a solution.

Right now it's looking like a White Blonde '54 Strat with gold hardware, slightly tinted maple neck, and a different neck shape. Of course, don't forget the DG set with a rear battery access.

Your details on the circuitry were especially informative. Thanks!


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well you guys skipped my question but I will post it again do The Vintage Hot Rod 57's Strats have a HSH config? I looked at all the details I wanted for my guitar and it has the exact same just want olympic white so I will find someone to do a paint job, change the pickups and see if someone can rewire tone 2 knob to middle and bridge.


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well you guys skipped my question but I will post it again do The Vintage Hot Rod 57's Strats have a HSH config? I looked at all the details I wanted for my guitar and it has the exact same just want olympic white so I will find someone to do a paint job, change the pickups and see if someone can rewire tone 2 knob to middle and bridge.


That spec isn't listed and I don't personally have one, so I can't help you with the H/S/H route info.

Since the '57 is quite pricey for you to change most of it, why would you want it? Why don't you try to get an American Standard V neck strat in Olympic white and do all the mods. Either way, it will be over the $1,500 price range unless you find a good deal on a used V neck.

There is always a custom Warmoth guitar that would be cheaper. That comes with some assembly required and it sure as hell isn't a Fender.


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well you guys skipped my question but I will post it again do The Vintage Hot Rod 57's Strats have a HSH config? I looked at all the details I wanted for my guitar and it has the exact same just want olympic white so I will find someone to do a paint job, change the pickups and see if someone can rewire tone 2 knob to middle and bridge.


Of the Forum, I know nikininja owns one. I'll have him look in here. There's always consumerrelations@fender.com or ME's Forum on that OP.

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You are, in the matter of "Pulse", referring to Tim Renwick who has also worked with Eric Clapton (Live Aid '85) and you will see him tear into a guitar solo playing "Cocaine" with EC on a Boston Garden concert in the '70's. Search YouTube under Cocaine for it. After you've viewed this you will understand why Eric was given to say that he was tired of having his solos played back at him. Tim has a website of his own. You can well understand why Gilmour had him along. Now it's Manzanara in that spot.

Mike Eldred may be in the position of getting you the specs on the CS guitar Tim played then. You might put that question to him on his Forum. The TV broadcast is an edited version of the concert. I own it in audio CD and will likely own the DVD of it as well

Again, in the matter of the battery placement....as in the Clapton, cutting a step in the side wall of the trem rout the size of a 9V costs less wood than a battery box if the guitar is not a hardtail. The only inconvenience is removing the back plate to change the battery.

Interesting that my own thoughts regarding a guitar built around the DG-20 would have been a '57 deep offset waist, soft contours, vintage SSS and routed for the battery, finished either white, or Mary Kaye, 21 jumbo fret sold maple neck w/Clapton profile satin finished in light tint; all gold vintage hardware.

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The hot rod 57 body is routed for a SSS configuration.
Why not just change the body for one with your specs? Refinishing/stripping the original boy is going to be prohibitively expensive. There are several licensed replacement shops which can provide you a new body in the finish you want, I'm pretty sure one of them (musikraft) does finish bodies with nitro, the others are poly for sure (but a very thin one).


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well you guys skipped my question but I will post it again do The Vintage Hot Rod 57's Strats have a HSH config? I looked at all the details I wanted for my guitar and it has the exact same just want olympic white so I will find someone to do a paint job, change the pickups and see if someone can rewire tone 2 knob to middle and bridge.


That spec isn't listed and I don't personally have one, so I can't help you with the H/S/H route info.

Since the '57 is quite pricey for you to change most of it, why would you want it? Why don't you try to get an American Standard V neck strat in Olympic white and do all the mods. Either way, it will be over the $1,500 price range unless you find a good deal on a used V neck.

There is always a custom Warmoth guitar that would be cheaper. That comes with some assembly required and it sure as hell isn't a Fender.


Well the there was only small changes with the Vintage Rod 57 and the American Standards don't have a Modified Soft V Neck that's my problem Fender doesn't do mods which bugs me cause basically the neck is what I want that to be a Modified Soft V Fender Neck and so on that I said earlier in the post of the neck. I will stick with Fender don't want a Warmoth I don't mind going over 1500 as long as it's close not 3000 dollar guitar or close to that number.


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The hot rod 57 body is routed for a SSS configuration.
Why not just change the body for one with your specs? Refinishing/stripping the original boy is going to be prohibitively expensive. There are several licensed replacement shops which can provide you a new body in the finish you want, I'm pretty sure one of them (musikraft) does finish bodies with nitro, the others are poly for sure (but a very thin one).


thanks for telling me the configuration of the Vintage Hot Rod 57.


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