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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:35 pm
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If by 'respondent' you mean myself, then no I don't have any self interest other than stating that based on several email discussions I had with the seller on different topics I do very much doubt the he is selling fakes. Beyond that the guy is free to do whatever he wants as long as it is permissible.

Let's see how things turn out now that the right persons got the listing reported. Obviously this guy and other 'parts' sellers have been offering COA/plate items for years and frequently at that (weekly/monthly basis), had FMIC ever decided to take legal action they would long have been shut down.


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If you want to blame what the end user might do then by the same token we should ban blank DVDs/CDs and a lot of other things. I do see and respect your point in the sense that the COA/neck plate will never end up on its original guitar. However I just don't put in the same bag someone who wants to ornate his guitar to feel good about it (as ridiculous as it is) versus those buying the COA/plate to fake a guitar and maximize profit.


Haha, only a counterfeiter would ever be interested in buying a COA separately from a guitar. Your analogy is wrong. It's like trying to convince the cops your counterfeiting plates were for making money themed T-shirts and wallpaper.

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Haha, only a counterfeiter would ever be interested in buying a COA separately from a guitar.

If you use the word counterfeit I agree with that statement, that doesn't conflict with what I said earlier which is that I wouldn't put people in the same bag based on their intent.

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Your analogy is wrong. It's like trying to convince the cops your counterfeiting plates were for making money themed T-shirts and wallpaper.

My analogy is simply wrong since in any case the COA/plate is going to be slapped onto a different guitar than the original one and make it a counterfeit, whether it is sold or not.

I agree with the views offered so far (though I reiterate that the guy is unlikely to be selling fake COAs/plates).

Hope to share some discussions in the near future on a less hot topic issues :-)


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drxavier wrote:
Hope to share some discussions in the near future on a less hot topic issues :-)


No such thing!! Everything which is brought to the Forum is a 'hot topic' It's membership is passionate about this company, its products, and the universa musica entera.

You happened to engage an issue not infrequently joined in these pages....that of the veracity of the trademark and the product. These peddler's trading in neck plates, COA's, and logos is akin to selling 'dogtags' off the bodies of dead soldiers for the purpose of another's identification. Those neck plates are unique to an individual guitar, and no other, and are not to be traded like baseball cards.

Sorry that you've stepped in it, so to speak, but your position was not fated to engender much support.

Your going to find yourself among a rather remarkable, talented, creative, and informed group of individuals. If you hang around long enough, you'll get a better sense as to why your initial remarks were not so well received.

And by the way....the guy who took umbrage at that way that $2400 Green Clapton on eBay was being offered was yours truly. :wink:

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doc can ya please fix your quote? it tagged wrong, it looks like the line you are quoting is from me instead of him. :wink:

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doc can ya please fix your quote? it tagged wrong, it looks like the line you are quoting is from me instead of him. :wink:


So let it be written.....so let it be done :wink:

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Dr Xavier.

Please dont feel that I have any kind of problem with you personaly. I understand that the plate and coa are genuine. Their application wont be though.

I for one hope you stick around and enjoy the place a bit.

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[quote="drxavier"] Beyond that the guy is free to do whatever he wants as long as it is permissible.


The crux of this is the moral and ethical imperative underlying the behavior, notwithstanding whether or not it might be unlawful. Not all behavior needs to be legislated to be considered potentially unethical even though FMIC had not seen its way to pursue the matter in the courts. They have recently lost their effort to declare their guitar bodies as 'trademark' by design, solely because they failed to do so in a timely fashion, allowing years to pass before seeking legal recourse

"Koocho" is presently seeking to obtain a duplicate COA for what was represented to be an authentic pre-owned Custom Shop guitar, the COA of which was lost.

Not all the pieces have fallen into place, but it is conceivable that the individual in question might be in possession of a bogus guitar in that "the guy" is free to do whatever he wants, which is, knowingly and willingly, contribute to the commission of fraud in the absolute.

The creation of The Custom Care Club may now oblige FMIC to seek relief against those vendors who provide avenues of commerce in these items.

You can be sure that concerned members of the Forum will continue to be alert to these offerings in order to preserve the veractiy of the mark.

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This guy has found his niche... advertising... the use of scenery in those ads almost made me forget how exciting it is to finally be able to afford that custom shop tele Ive been waiting for.


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He seems to be shutdown now :!:

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Not really, his account is still active, it's just that he has no item for sale at the moment.


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Maybe someone should discuss this with Mandi and the other Models? I guess I will volunteer for such a demanding duty. :wink:

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:lol:

Bizarre!

That's one of the oddest guitar-based sites I've ever seen.


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I see where you guys are coming from, but in all honesty- I cant see what all the fuss is about.

People buys used cars and sell off the parts all the time- all be it badges, mechanical parts aswell as electrical.

So whats the difference? its not in anyway form copyright- unless they piece it with the rest of a guitar and sell it as a CS. The cost of a legal team looking into this, is it going to justify the cost of the guitar? I think not.

People WILL do this- there is a market for it. Im not promoting it, nor am I condoning it. I think we all just have to accept that its going to happen and just get on with it.

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Could it be a "Reliable Fender" coa with this so called "fake" 56 strat.
http://www.fender.com/community/forums/ ... hp?t=32328

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