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the EC "triplet " neck is far from the 10/56 neck whatever mod may alter it.One is slim with a sharp V at the headstock,the other one is round and chunky from 0 till 21st fret.Just imagine one could have a scanner which could slice the neck from the headstock up to the highest fret.
Many newcomers to this site; so even well known pictures might be of interest as a starter... :wink:
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I've pretty much taken my cues from not only the narratives of EC and LD in the Christie's catalog on the guitar specifically referred to as having that neck but from the narrative of StratoKazter on the 10/30/08 postings and you yourself.

The kind of imaging you allude to, in my business, would be known as coronal sections, microscopic, MRI or CT, so I have a good sense of what you are trying to convey. I would really love to see those two necks portrayed as such. It would answer a myriad of questions.

My reference to the graphics was with the same intent that you supplied them, simply as a basic point of reference. What I infer from your colleague's post is that the necks on your Triplets are 3 of a kind. There are no others like them. Yet he maintains that TK can reproduce that on request.

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"Yet he maintains that TK can reproduce that on request. "

So why to sell it and ask for the same neck shape ?
You got a clear reply from the CS when you asked.
On the other hand the EC Goldleaf Strat has a pure 10/56 neck, that's for sure. And mine was MB by Todd Krause.
All in, I understand that EC is quite open on necks shapes over the years and that if he likes one within his preferences at a certain time he'll get it, maybe not one month later... :roll:


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alainlafrance wrote:
"Yet he maintains that TK can reproduce that on request. "So why to sell it and ask for the same neck shape ?
You got a clear reply from the CS when you asked.
On the other hand the EC Goldleaf Strat has a pure 10/56 neck, that's for sure. And mine was MB by Todd Krause.
All in, I understand that EC is quite open on necks shapes over the years and that if he likes one within his preferences at a certain time he'll get it, maybe not one month later... :roll:


Somewhere in here I'm getting lost, I fear. My personal experience was in requesting your build, before I had all the fine details, I was refused. StratoKazter pulled the laces together and told me that was a crock!. That settled that issue.

Now we are into the fine details being explored by our other esteemed colleague regarding the nuances of these necks which I, enlisting the catalog and with great help from yourself, have been endeavoring to assist with.

Beyond that, what else is your understanding?

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You know what,

Short of an IRM at my disposaI, I was thinking of having modeling clay and put it around the neck from the headstock and slide all along the neck and make inside drawings as and when majors frets are showing.
Just give me time but it might be fun !!!
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alainlafrance wrote:
You know what,Short of an IRM at my disposaI, I was thinking of having modeling clay and put it around the neck from the headstock and slide all along the neck and make inside drawings as and when majors frets are showing.Just give me time but it might be fun !!!
No ???


From my experiences with modeling clay in my work , at the cost of messing up that neck , I don't know that the juice is really worth the squeeze. Think about tapping into TK for the fine details on anything you or our colleague might have on your collective minds. With todays technology that neck could be scanned by a computer and a precise drawing rendered which would not only show different elevations, but a composited cross-section.

(Personally, I think were shaving the cheese close to the rind in this and not gaining much benefit from the exercise.)

Don't know if Fender has anything like that in their shops, or whether they would share such data with you, considering that this neck is 'special order'
and not consistent with their Custom Shop Signature ED guitar.

I rather say that we know all we really need to know and where to get what we want should the need arise. :wink:

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Ok

I put that back in my drawer... Whooff !!!


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alainlafrance wrote:
Ok:I put that back in my drawer... Whooff !!!


Here's an example of what's out there. Surgeons planning correction of a maxillofacial deformity can image the head and obtain a 3D image of the skull and facial skeleton which they can rotate in 3 axes on the screen to their needs. Follow that up with a CAD/CAM generated, life-size model of that skull in all it's glory upon which then can plan the surgical correction and actually do it in-vitro prior to the actual clinical procedure. :shock:

In comparison, guitar neck morphology is a piece of cake :wink:

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I"n comparison, guitar neck morphology is a piece of cake "
iIcan imagine of course,
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Why don't you send an application to the Fender CS to use them when your appliances are in rest ???


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[quote="alainlafrance"]

They have enough difficulty getting their act together at times when it comes to doing the things they are supposedly expert at.

Take that post about the Mayer neck 'choking out", for example. When that guitar first came down the pike I personally sent them an email telling them how poorly finished the necks were on the few I had auditioned off the wall in several different venues. :roll:

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guys,

thanks again for the great insights.

I find two of clapton's preferences particularly interesting, that the discussion has, thus far, identified/reinforced:

1) Interesting that the two necks (i.e. Brownie and Blackie) would be SO apparently distinct/different and yet preferred by him (at least at some points in time). If the '56 CS neck (the 10/56) has any similarity to Brownie, it is a REALLY different neck than these hard 'Vs' we are talking about.

2) I find the change to the 9.5 radius also interesting. Obviously, Blackie and Brownie being vintage I would think those radii are 7.25...i find it interesting he would 'update' to a more modern 9.5 on his signature series, but retain other 'vintage' specs such as the fret wire, saddles, etc. Given his emphasis on neck shapes, I would have thought that radius would be retained also?

On another note, I happened to see in another post that there is apparently a 12mo wait list for TK - on top of the already lengthy amount of time to actually produce the guitar. If i do go that route, its going to be a LONG time before i see anything, i fear.

I may need another CS Teambuilt clapton to tide me over - what do you think? :?

PS, Doc, if it is easily doable, I would be really interested in knowing if your early Clapton is, indeed, 8.5. I had read the same quote.


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PS, Doc, if it is easily doable, I would be really interested in knowing if your early Clapton is, indeed, 8.5. I had read the same quote.[/quote]

Well.....a tape measure and a little trigonometry might give us the answer (one would have to convert the width of the fretboard into degrees of arc and go from there)......or.......an email to TK himself. Perhaps alain has the inside track on that one.

As far as your interim guitar is concerned.....whatever spins your dials :P

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Well.....a tape measure and a little trigonometry might give us the answer (one would have to convert the width of the fretboard into degrees of arc and go from there)......or.......an email to TK himself. Perhaps alain has the inside track on that one.

I've come up with some forumulas. It may take me some time to play with them to see if they yield a result. Figure at least 24 hours. :wink:

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no problem doc - i eagerly await the news.

on yet another front (i was thinking about starting a new thread on this but many knowedgeable of such issues seem to be checking this one)....

I came across some sort of quote (no idea from when or anything) where EC claims that all his guitars have to be setup with a "1/8" action, constant down the neck"

1) doesnt 1/8" seem quite high. I think it is substantially higher than the std specs provided by fender, and i always thought the EC models had even lower action than the std strat specifications

2) does the "constant down the neck" part imply no relief (or no relief from a practical standpoint once taking into account the string tensions). I thought it was common (and, again, i think the std specs bear this out) that there wold be differing string heights as you went down the neck

3) I had always seen reference to action as, at least, a measurement of the 1st and 6th string (at certain frets) with presumably the other strings falling in line accordance with the neck radius. How does one interpret one measurement to describe the action - such as, 1/8" of action?

Just curious because when I saw the quote it seemed really high and I always associated lower actions with clapton...and then i started thinking about some of the other questions to boot :D


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[quote="ufboy73"]:

First: Thanks to Alain for the radius guide. The asuumption here is, that based on Duchossior's statement as to 8.5(and I hold out the possiblity of a 'typo'), I need to measure the guitar neck directly. When I'm finished I'll describe the method and the findings.

The 1/8" inch statement is known to me as well, and I believe that I have referred to this elsewhere in very early posts of mine, and perhaps Alain and I have discussed it. Many years ago, Alex Agular, a well known amp guru told me that he had personally seen "Blackie'' the strings appear to have been set 'real high'. Theres a photo in the Christies catalog of Eric playing the guitar and the angle also suggests a high setting. The manner in which he generates his vibrato also suggests this. A straight line 1/8' string height to me would suggest a special nut design. I would defer to Alain in this with respect to the setup on the Tribute guitar. Beyond that, I just don't know.

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