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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:40 pm
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Those lines appear to be too straight to be "checking" or "frost checking".
They look like joint lines to me, but it's hard to say unless seen under light and live. Try this: Don't worry so much...it doesn't appear to be fatal!


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Pete55 wrote:
Those lines appear to be too straight to be "checking" or "frost checking".
They look like joint lines to me, but it's hard to say unless seen under light and live. Try this: Don't worry so much...it doesn't appear to be fatal!


pete,

thanks - i hear you about not worrying so much about it.....but thats hard for an obsessive compulsive like myself!:)

i am just sort of hesitant about it....look, i know even the CS Claptons are not quite the same as what he gets from them (the TBX removal, perhaps a slightly different neck shape, etc.)...but as you said, he wouldnt be messing around with a thin finish and i just dont necessarily want to deviate from EC specs if it is something under my control....its just kind of part of the association fro me of having an EC strat in the first place (which, i was actually initially resistant to until i tested out a lot of different models). not to mention, i would prefer the harder wearing properties of a more typical poly finish myself since as an OC person, the last thing i need is to immediately begin to notice wear and tear on the guitar.

Im going to try calling the shop again on monday and see what they say. they also sell special ordered thin skin nitro claptons and i just cant believe that this is not one of them...even though i specifically asked if it was poly and they said yes...something just doesnt gibe with all this.

Im so torn about it because the finish doesnt appear to be what i wanted but i really like the playability and sound of this guitar...whats hard to work out (since it is my only CS trial) is, is it this particular guitar i am responding to or just the fact that i am enjoying the step up to the CS model compared to the Artist Series.


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I have a very similar line on my vintage hotrod. It seems like its the paint sunk into the joint on my guitar. I strongly suspect its through the thin paintjob being buffed too soon after it was applied or applied to thinly. It wouldnt matter if the guitar was polyester, polyurethane or nitrocellulose finished because it happened on the paint stage not the lacquer stage of its production.


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nikininja wrote:
I have a very similar line on my vintage hotrod. It seems like its the paint sunk into the joint on my guitar. I strongly suspect its through the thin paintjob being buffed too soon after it was applied or applied to thinly. It wouldnt matter if the guitar was polyester, polyurethane or nitrocellulose finished because it happened on the paint stage not the lacquer stage of its production.


makes sense, but wouldnt there only be one joint - or one place on the body that you have a line like this? i have similar lines all over the body :?


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thanks - i hear you about not worrying so much about it.....but thats hard for an obsessive compulsive like myself!:)

Your passion for playing exactly the same guitar Eric plays will drive you to distraction. His builders tweak his guitars to his preferences and build them to his caprice. The man changes guitars faster than a nymphomaniac changes her clothes.

In fact, one of the guitars sold at Christie's in '04 was a Todd Krause build Lee christened the 'Rainbow Rod.' Had been used in the studio, and as a back up guitar on the Reptile Tour in '01. It is described by Dickson as being 'Brizio' paint. "Flip Flop" paint they call it, because every way you turn it changes color. It was the color of the hotrod they were loaned to drive around in Calfornina during the sessions for "Riding With The King", but never officially sanctioned by EC. The auto paint, by DuPont, is called
"Chromalusion.'' There's a closeup photo of the two sitting in this car. The color will drive you nuts :!: :roll:

Dickson also refers to a black stage guitar with 'blue' sparkle.

Another one they built for him, a prototype, also sold at the auction, had a cast aluminum body, all black plastic, and the newer bridge saddles.

My opinion....if you want the best of both worlds, have Todd Krause build you the same guitar he built for Alain. From comments on a previous thread by him, it had a neck profile that Eric really liked. :idea:

In this pursuit, my friend, you may get close, but definitely 'no cigar'. Right now I would bet they're building another one you haven't seen yet :?

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ufboy73 wrote:

makes sense, but wouldnt there only be one joint - or one place on the body that you have a line like this? i have similar lines all over the body :?


could it of sank into the grain. If not it means that you could either have a multi piece body or a bad finish. On a guitar of that level i'd be demanding answers. If i was stateside i'd almost certainly have taken a drive to the plant by now.

Do all the lines run in the same direction, if so i'd say its sank into the grain.


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[quote="zzdoc"]

a very fair point, doc. I think the other issue, perhaps more rationally relevant, is I just dont think I like the look of a finish that shows the grain coming thru - and i think i would be just as hesitant about it if it were any other guitar than a clapton (perhaps the only one i would consider it ok would be a true vintage guitar).


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[quote="nikininja"]

yes, all the lines run vertically from the neck to the body - i think you and alain must be right, it must have sunk into the grain - though i still dont know why this singular, supposedly poly finish would have done this.

i think i am sure about one thing - i dont think this is the finish i really want on my clapton. so i guess i have not found the "one" :oops:


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zzdoc wrote:
thanks - i hear you about not worrying so much about it.....but thats hard for an obsessive compulsive like myself!:)

Your passion for playing exactly the same guitar Eric plays will drive you to distraction. His builders tweak his guitars to his preferences and build them to his caprice. The man changes guitars faster than a nymphomaniac changes her clothes.

In fact, one of the guitars sold at Christie's in '04 was a Todd Krause build Lee christened the 'Rainbow Rod.' Had been used in the studio, and as a back up guitar on the Reptile Tour in '01. It is described by Dickson as being 'Brizio' paint. "Flip Flop" paint they call it, because every way you turn it changes color. It was the color of the hotrod they were loaned to drive around in Calfornina during the sessions for "Riding With The King", but never officially sanctioned by EC. The auto paint, by DuPont, is called
"Chromalusion.'' There's a closeup photo of the two sitting in this car. The color will drive you nuts :!: :roll:

Dickson also refers to a black stage guitar with 'blue' sparkle.

Another one they built for him, a prototype, also sold at the auction, had a cast aluminum body, all black plastic, and the newer bridge saddles.

My opinion....if you want the best of both worlds, have Todd Krause build you the same guitar he built for Alain. From comments on a previous thread by him, it had a neck profile that Eric really liked. :idea:

In this pursuit, my friend, you may get close, but definitely 'no cigar'. Right now I would bet they're building another one you haven't seen yet :?


on a completely different note, am i the only one that finds it frustrating that a signature model apparently has so many differences than the model actually used by the artist? Leaving aside the relative merits (or lack thereof) of mimicing an artist's equipment, the fact is that fender often makes a big deal about what one gets off the shelf is exactly the same as what the artist plays - for example, a recent strat book i was looking at (the 50 year celebration one) has all kinds of quotes from guys at fender stating the EC signature model is exactly the same as EC's guitar. Digging a little you begin to see all kinds of differences in specs that exist - again, the relative significance of these discrepancies aside, it just feels like Fender isn't being quite so upfront about what you get off the shelf vs what the artist is actually playing.

I suppose a lot of this could have to do with, as doc says, the frequency with which clapton changes his guitars (and specs) but, for instance, did he just recently change to quartersewn necks (which, implied in a different post is his preference)? i doubt it - and if the EJ model can be spec'd as such, why not the EC model...at least the CS version. I just suspect that the variances are not solely due to lag times between the artist stated preference and the production of the same into the models that we are buying.

Doc - if not too inappropriate, could someone provide me with just a general ballpark price of a krause guitar, as you reference above? over 4k? over 5k?


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Ufboy, it sounds to me like the paint has sunk into the grain not any laquer coat though. It could be a very coarse grain to the wood or a mis-hap in the paint stage.
I'm quite unsure as to what could be the exact cause. User Ceri would be the person to approach on the forum. If he cant tell you i'd get it back to fender for an explanation and a re-finish.

Sorry i couldnt be more help.


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In his autobiography from 2007, EC never really reveals the exact number of guitars he currently still owns. He talks about those that went to auction, how proud he was to be able to raise the dollars for Crossroads, etc.

Point is he owns a lot of them, has owned even more, and will buy more, and have more given to him. Which one of HIS guitars is YOUR magic bullet? Pick one and have it built for you. Personally, I like the Dominoes era, and would be more partial to "Brownie". CS will be building a tribute to Brownie soon I would imagine.

Maybe your fave is that blonde Gibson Byrdland he played on " Concert for Bangladesh" in 1971 alongside his good friend George Harrison. The good folks at Gibson will do that one for you too, but get out your wallet!

I love what Fender Custom Shop is all about. They allow us to live our little fantasies, dreams and perversions...and never call us silly. They just build what we want. And collectively, through the years, we've proven to them that we want lots!


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my favourite clapton guitar is the cream era firebird. Would the CS make one for me. :P (jk, although the firebird is my fave of his guitars)


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well,

the shop got back to me. according to them all the finishes on the Claptons are quite thin, and they have never seen one that the grain is not evident under the finish at certain angles and under certain lighting.

For all you guys, who obviously have spent a ton of time with CS Clapton's - does this sound accurate/right?


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