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[quote="LeftyElliot"]No, Alain, no sig. They won't put the sig on anymore.


About signatures: The 'Artist Series' guitar has it on the face of the headstock. The 'Custom Shop Signature' series guitar has it on the back.
If we were to 'dime' this guitar 'as built for' EC it should have no signature at all. Alain needs to remind us if the 'triplets' are signed.

By the way....I owned a CS guitar, Clapton based, which had a rosewood fretboard, sunburst finish, all gold hardware, black plastic parts, and SCN pickups. They told me it could not carry his signature. I told them I didn't want it to.

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Hi ZZ, sure thing - but Alain and I were discussing my Lefty 'ECs' - it's those that Fender won't stamp with the sig anymore, or even call them EC Strats as Eric can't play them :)

And Pete55 - here's a pic that my friend at Fender sent over - it'll depress you haha :lol:



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"Alain needs to remind us if the 'triplets' are signed. "
The triplets had all the EC signature at the back of the headstock, but the original owner of mine insisted Not to have any EC signature just like EC's owns. So he sent it back to Todd who modified it accordingly.
The COA of course calls it an Eric Clapton Strat Masterbuilt by Todd Krause and signed by him.
There is a photo of Todd with the triplets , but I can't put my hand on it.

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LeftyElliot wrote:
Hi ZZ, sure thing - but Alain and I were discussing my Lefty 'ECs' - it's those that Fender won't stamp with the sig anymore, or even call them EC Strats as Eric can't play them :)

And Pete55 - here's a pic that my friend at Fender sent over - it'll depress you haha :lol:



Picture - Click me!


This was an edition of "Blackie " with no relation with the EC "Blackie" Tribute Strat. :wink:
Don't mix... :roll:


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[quote="LeftyElliot"]Hi ZZ, sure thing - but Alain and I were discussing my Lefty 'ECs' - it's those that Fender won't stamp with the sig anymore, or even call them EC Strats as Eric can't play them :)

Personally...after all of this....damn the signature....it's really all about the guitar isn't it. As long a you share the preference for all of the specs, what matter the I.D.

The best thing Fender ever did so far in that regard is this new Gilmour. It's 'dimed' as a relic, beautifully done as an NOS, and is 'signed' in the sense that it owns its individuality like no other. It was marketed at a fair price in line with Custom Shop past practices and we owe it to the artist himself in that regard.

Regrettably, genetics has placed you at a disadvantage with respect to the design of these instruments, but no less the guitar player in your own right I trust :wink:

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alainlafrance wrote:
"Alain needs to remind us if the 'triplets' are signed. "The triplets had all the EC signature at the back of the headstock, but the original owner of mine insisted Not to have any EC signature just like EC's owns. So he sent it back to Todd who modified it accordingly.
The COA of course calls it an Eric Clapton Strat Masterbuilt by Todd Krause and signed by him.There is a photo of Todd with the triplets , but I can't put my hand on it.Alain


There's a post by StratoKaster in which he included a photo of Todd with the triplets. The removal of the signature makes sense to me from a purist's point of view and it derives from those changes Eric requested which were quoted in the Christie's catalog. Why the artist would make a big deal over a signed name is beyond me. The Gilmour is a 'Signature
Series" Stratocaster and carries no more than the CS logo.

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And Pete55 - here's a pic that my friend at Fender sent over - it'll depress you haha :lol: url=http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ephome1/Misc/Blackies.JPG]Picture - Click me![/url][/quote]

Wooaah!! Wonder who they were building that lot for :?: :roll:
Likely an Eric Clapton Tribute Band known as "The Southpaws" who placed the order through Wildwood :P

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Haha indeed. Oh well, with all this serious talk of "Blackies" just thought I'd lighten the mood :lol:


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LeftyElliot wrote:
No, Alain, no sig. They won't put the sig on anymore. They did put it on my Lefty Blackie Strat but that was back in '95 :D

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ephome1 ... G_2892.jpg

But the Goldie is 'plain' (as is the White one)

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ephome1 ... G_2883.jpg

(I actually prefer it like that anyway)


Thanks for all your patience and histronics, guys. It is helpful and fun, but I really DID know there was only one Blackie. And the faithful recreation (20G) that ZZ talks about is the closest thing to the real deal, and it doesn't have "blackie" scribbled on it anywhere does it?

My point is that anything that replicates that historic guitar in name should be fairly true in it's composition. Any other EC guitars are fine the way they are, but when you put "Blackie on the headstock, and use EC's sig...at least flip the truss rod adjustment to the neck butt, and get the other details as well. Apart from mass marketing, I fail to appreciate the proliferation of that namesake to more generic variants.

Hopefully that ties things together. If it doesn't, that's OK...but I was just confused and unaware that so many "blackies" are in CS production, maybe to appear soon as offshore built shopping mall models under the Squier nameplate...who knows? :)

I don't mind the 20G version of Blackie. It's pretty true. The guys at CS had the real one apart and back together again for that project, and created a great replication. Of the rest of the "blackies" that CS has turned out for sheer marketing value, revenue and mass appeal... I couldn't care for one way or the other.

I'm new here, but not new to guitars. You guys all seem very kind, informed and well spoken. It's nice to chat with you all :)


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Let us recall that what Fender did when Clapton decided to add the black finish to the red, green, and pewter which had been authorized for the then new Signature Series, was to tag it "Blackie" on the headstock, apparently with no objection from the man. It stays that way, and likely currently as well.

Fast forward to 2004 and this guitar surpasses its predecessor, "The Brownie"(Clapton 1999 Auction) to a staggering sum. Forthwith, the new owners now entertain the idea to partner with Fender and jump on the Tribute bandwagon so succesfully pioneered by the SRV project and do that fundraiser nearly two years ago to the day.

Common sense would have it, and I certainly would not argue against the idea of stripping the words "Blackie'' from any Artist, Custom Shop Signature, or Masterbuilt Eric Clapton Stratocaster, save the reproduction.
However, keep in mind that THE MAN himself has had no issues with that designation running two parallel courses and, if I may be so bold to suggest, there are likely trademark patents on the use of that designation applying equally to both instruments.

From a practical point of view, the past twenty years have been very successful for the Eric Clapton Signature Stratocaster, in all of its reincarnations and don't be surprised if Fender doesn't dream up something interesting for that model come 2013.

The likes of resurrecting the idea of the all cast aluminum guitar, the prototype of which was auctioned in 2004, as a Silver Anniversary Eric Clapton Signature Series Stratocaster, Masterbuilt, with a limited run, at some outrageous price point, would be quite in line with some of their projects. It wouldn't be the first of that ilk they've done, and Alain could set that one along side the other two he owns.

If providence is kind, and my predictions prove correct, we will have another theme and variation to add to our store.

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"Common sense would have it, and I certainly woudd not argue against the idea of stripping the words "Blackie'' from any Artist, Custom Shop Signature, or Masterbuilt Eric Clapton Stratocaster, save the reproduction"

Those were my sentiments exactly; the rest of the debate centers around marketing and proliferation of the liscenced namesake for commercial purposes. And I have nothing against making money either!

I do believe providence will show her kindly side, and CS will soon gift us with other EC related pieces. I would also not be shocked or disappointed by a great recreation of " Brownie" appearing at a Custom Shop dealer near us soon.


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I do believe providence will show her kindly side, and CS will soon gift us with other EC related pieces. I would also not be shocked or disappointed by a great recreation of " Brownie" appearing at a Custom Shop dealer near us soon.[/quote]

That's a guitar which you must see in the naked light of day. A well-worn shadow of the photo on the CD "Eric Clapton" or any other visual you may have seen it in. It is housed in Seattle's Experience Music Project museum,in the the guitar room along with other landmark instruments. It once had it's own display case with a Derek and The Dominoes theme.

I am given to understand that it remains the property of Paul Allen, a founder of Microsoft, a strong supporter of music and music education. He would likely have to be the one to consent to such a project. I don't see it materializing any time soon, unless they would consider it a boon to the museum. In that case I would expect to see it at a handsome price point.

No fox and sour grapes to 'The Blackie', but The Brownie" is 'the Layla guitar!' 8)

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From a practical point of view, the past twenty years have been very successful for the Eric Clapton Signature Stratocaster, in all of its reincarnations and don't be surprised if Fender doesn't dream up something interesting for that model come 2013.


Personally I expect the long-awaited ECP Red LTD coming into surface some time in 2014.

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[Personally I expect the long-awaited ECP Red LTD coming into surface some time in 2014.

Great expectations??? How so??

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