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There was an article in a uk magazine about Yuri Shishkov ages ago. ... <snip> ...

What a bloke eh. I'd certainly buy him a pint.


I would too.. for the Lefty Goldleaf EC he built for me. Beautiful guitar


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There was an article in a uk magazine about Yuri Shishkov ages ago. ... <snip> ...

What a bloke eh. I'd certainly buy him a pint.


I would too.. for the Lefty Goldleaf EC he built for me. Beautiful guitar

But EC doesn't recognize lefties as such no ? :roll:


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alainlafrance wrote:
LeftyElliot wrote:
nikininja wrote:
There was an article in a uk magazine about Yuri Shishkov ages ago. ... <snip> ...

What a bloke eh. I'd certainly buy him a pint.


I would too.. for the Lefty Goldleaf EC he built for me. Beautiful guitar

But EC doesn't recognize lefties as such no ? :roll:


Haha, quite right. To 'them' it's a "Custom '56 Strat" :lol:


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LeftyElliot wrote:
alainlafrance wrote:
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nikininja wrote:
There was an article in a uk magazine about Yuri Shishkov ages ago. ... <snip> ...

What a bloke eh. I'd certainly buy him a pint.


I would too.. for the Lefty Goldleaf EC he built for me. Beautiful guitar

But EC doesn't recognize lefties as such no ? :roll:


Haha, quite right. To 'them' it's a "Custom '56 Strat" :lol:


Honestly this I don't understand :shock:
But has it his sig ?


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No, Alain, no sig. They won't put the sig on anymore. They did put it on my Lefty Blackie Strat but that was back in '95 :D

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ephome1 ... G_2892.jpg

But the Goldie is 'plain' (as is the White one)

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ephome1 ... G_2883.jpg

(I actually prefer it like that anyway)


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Something drives me nuts about those "blackies". It's got the EC sig, it's got the cigarette burns (done with a torch...you can spot the over-burn)...it's got the vintaged looking tuners. Everything is fine until you see the truss rod adjustment access at the headstock. Maybe that's how Clapton prefers his guitars be made today, but has nothing to do with how "Blackie" was configured. And no "blackies" should ever come with Noisless PU's. The name "Blackie" has to be fairly pure to fly.

The real deal from Custom Shop costs about 30G doesn't it?


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C'mon Pete 55

Just look at the original ES Blackie from the Christies Catalog and look at what the Custom Shop Masterbuilders delivered.
"Blackie"" is" Blackie". :!:
Eic Clapton Sig Strats is something else.
Just enquire :roll:


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The recreation of the Christie's "Blackie" as you call it , has been wonderfully reproduced by CS. Is that what you're talking about? If so I agree. That's what I'm saying...the Sig series stuff is what I'm complaining about.


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Something drives me nuts about those "blackies". It's got the EC sig, it's got the cigarette burns (done with a torch...you can spot the over-burn)...it's got the vintaged looking tuners. Everything is fine until you see the truss rod adjustment access at the headstock. Maybe that's how Clapton prefers his guitars be made today, but has nothing to do with how "Blackie" was configured. And no "blackies" should ever come with Noisless PU's. The name "Blackie" has to be fairly pure to fly.The real deal from Custom Shop costs about 30G doesn't it?


I am not exactly sure what the point is here. We have discussed the several incarnations of this guitar from Alpha to Omega, as well as all the nuances applicable to its generation including the use of the term "Blackie".

( FYI: Three 'black' Stratocasters were auctioned at Christie's in 2004. Each has a different heritage but are considered 'milepost' guitars. If the details of such are of interest, either I, Alain, or both will certainly be happy to share with those of you who do not possess the catalog.)

First I need Pete to clarify his observations and where he is coming from.

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Something drives me nuts about those "blackies". It's got the EC sig, it's got the cigarette burns (done with a torch...you can spot the over-burn)...it's got the vintaged looking tuners. Everything is fine until you see the truss rod adjustment access at the headstock. Maybe that's how Clapton prefers his guitars be made today, but has nothing to do with how "Blackie" was configured. And no "blackies" should ever come with Noisless PU's. The name "Blackie" has to be fairly pure to fly.The real deal from Custom Shop costs about 30G doesn't it?


I am not exactly sure what the point is here. We have discussed the several incarnations of this guitar from Alpha to Omega, as well as all the nuances applicable to its generation including the use of the term "Blackie".

( FYI: Three 'black' Stratocasters were auctioned at Christie's in 2004. Each has a different heritage but are considered 'milepost' guitars. If the details of such are of interest, either I, Alain, or both will certainly be happy to share with those of you who do not possess the catalog. There are also the Custom Shop guitars built by Kraus in 2003, referred to in other posts herein as "The Triplets" one of which is in Alain's collection, the other held by StratoKaster, and built to exacting specifications as requested by the customers.)

First I need Pete to clarify his observations and where he is coming from.


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Ok, let's start here. Did Clapton have 3 guitars in his collection that he called "Blackie"? Maybe he did, and someone needs to set me straight.


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Ok, let's start here. Did Clapton have 3 guitars in his collection that he called "Blackie"? Maybe he did, and someone needs to set me straight.

No there was only one "Blackie"
That's history.


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Ok, let's start here. Did Clapton have 3 guitars in his collection that he called "Blackie"? Maybe he did, and someone needs to set me straight.


Who the devil really knows what his entire catalog is. However, offered at auction in 2004 were:

1. Circa 1996, Stratocaster, Masterbuilt, Production Sample; the body in black finish fitted with 3 Lace Sensor pickups....served as one of EC's main stage guitars between 1998-1999. Lee Dickson:"This is the one I've marked as the Apollo guitar because that's where it was conceived......made by Larry Brooks at the CS specifically for Eric....first to reflect changes EC wanted.....following a meeting with Larry Brooks and John Paige with a view to changing a few things on the signature guitars...they came to the Apollo Theater in June 1993 while Eric was in rehearsals....the changes were to the neck and some finishing....(he did not want his signature on the headstock of his personal guitars)...any other changes are not specified therein. The photo shows the familiar Lace Sensor fitted black guitar, with a lightly figured maple neck, light/moderate wear and no headstock finish.

2. 1988, Fender Custom Shop Stratocaster Eric Clapton Signature Model
headstock bearing the logo/signature/neck end inscribed R&D #1CS/2/23/88 and stamped in red ink in the neck pocket Custom Shop/Fender USA, the body in black finish fitted with 3 Lace Sensor Pickups.....Mike Stevens is the builder. This guitar is described as his main stage guitar from 1990-1993. Lee Dickson: "This is the first black custom EC Singature Strat. It was made for Eric by Mike Stevens.....originally the signature Strats had three colours....(he notes that the 'grey' started as anthracite and was changed to pewter very early on ). He describes it as one of the 'killer' guitars....and the last 'smoking guitar'.....it has no serial number on it because its the first (black) one...almost a prototype. It was Eric's suggestion at the time. He said we should really have a black one in the range. So the the first officially sanctioned black (EC Signature) Strat.
The photo reveals the typical guitar, signed headstock, heavy cigarette burn in the usual location, and a very heavily played fretboard from frets 2-22.

I should note editorially that, from my experience, when this finish first appeared in stores the word "Blackie" was printed on the headstock. For ever how long that persisted I cannot attest. Note that the guitar is described as a 1988 Fender Stratocaster..note the date of production...yet the guitar does not go 'on stage' until summer 1990 and 'worked' until March 1993.

3. "Blackie" circa 1956 and 1957, a composite Fender Stratocaster the details of which we are all familiar.

Perhaps Alain can photo these three guitars and post them for our general interest. However, I agree with his observations in his above post. For purposes of authenticity, and in keeping with originality, THE "Blackie" of historical note can only be "the mutt." There is NO other.

If I can be of any futher assistant please do not hesitate. Personally, after all of this wonderful sharing of information about these guitars, their histories etc, the lyrics to vintage song come to mind: "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with"! :wink:

If I had my druthers I would have Todd Krause build a guitar for me to the specs of the triplets. If finished in black it would have Lace Sensors. My other option would be a two-tone sunburst with Noiseless pickups.

Doc :wink:

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3. "Blackie" circa 1956 and 1957, a composite Fender Stratocaster the details of which we are all familiar.

Perhaps Alain can photo these three guitars and post them for our general interest. However, I agree with his observations in his above post. For purposes of authenticity, and in keeping with originality, THE "Blackie" of historical note can only be "the mutt." There is NO other.

Agreed.

Now, is this not the guitar that was painstakingly reproduced in limited numbers by CS, and the only really true recreation of the only guitar he ever called " Blackie" ? I don't care about incarnations of the 1988 black guitar or a 1996 variant of something he had. The true re-issue of " the Mutt"...was that not done recently?


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[quote="Pete55"]3. "Blackie" circa 1956 and 1957, a composite Fender Stratocaster

Exactly. This is the guitar which GC paid a 'million bucks' for and, as we kicked around the idea on one of the Gilmour threads, figured out a great way to recoup its investment. 250+ guitars at about 20K a pop gets you your money back, pays the costs of production, and EC's "Crossroads" a healthy contribution.

OK...so now you have to tie it all together because somewhere herein I am missing your original premise. :wink:

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