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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:02 pm
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"...trying to determine what brought them into playing such a guitar and thereafter having my own (varying) shortlist of such species within the ones at my disposal"

More times than not, "nothing" brought them to playing such a guitar other than the fact that it was the guitar available to them at the time. It had no magic, other than maybe good tone or just a nice feel. It could have been any guitar. It was what they could afford..( Mark Knopfler's first Strat) or the culmination of a very good deal on pieces that nobody wanted to pay good money for ( Clapton's Blackie) or gifts that someone just gave them ( Ron Wood's 2TB '57 is a gift from EC) No great amount of thinking or wishing or ingenuity or great will of the spirit brought them to play such a guitar.
" Such" guitars were PLAYED into what they became over time. Now we bow to those guitars. Or is it the person? Or is it time?


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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:46 am
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Agreed that when they were bought nothing differentiated them from any other similar good sounding guitar.
But as time went by several of them have been highly modified by their owner but it almost doesn't show from the outside.
The insides of EC's Blackie , Andy Summers Tele, YM Strat are far from the simple original wiring. It would be detrimental to owners of such models to give any hints of what's inside, you guess why.
Th DG Strat has also been largely modified and its sound qualities may also come from these mods.

When you own this kind of guitar ,you can't blame the tool
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:09 am
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regardless of your personal feelings about the artist reproduction concept ,for fender [even though they have had a couple of slow movers] it is im sure a very profitabe product line.as for myself the fact that these guitars are available for the public to purchase is a wonderful thing . i love and respect most of these artist, and the builders who hand build these guitars are the best in the business. if you see no value in quality or craftsmenship in these guitars then dont buy any. but for us who are hungry to own and play these very special guitars, i say fender keep them comming .plus from an artist point of view im sure its a great honor to have fender approach you for a CS sig model.all in all i dont understand the negativity ,you can question if an artist should or should not have a model ,thats personal ,but to question the whole product line is unreasonable


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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:15 am
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gratz wrote:
regardless of your personal feelings about the artist reproduction concept ,for fender [even though they have had a couple of slow movers] it is im sure a very profitabe product line.as for myself the fact that these guitars are available for the public to purchase is a wonderful thing . i love and respect most of these artist, and the builders who hand build these guitars are the best in the business. if you see no value in quality or craftsmenship in these guitars then dont buy any. but for us who are hungry to own and play these very special guitars, i say fender keep them comming .plus from an artist point of view im sure its a great honor to have fender approach you for a CS sig model.all in all i dont understand the negativity ,you can question if an artist should or should not have a model ,thats personal ,but to question the whole product line is unreasonable

You are so right Gratz! Tell them my friend!! :wink:


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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:38 am
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"if you see no value in quality or craftsmenship in these guitars then dont buy any. but for us who are hungry to own and play these very special guitars,"

The craftsmanship of the Eric Johnson model Strat or the John Mayer model is by no way, means, shape or form...anything superior to a Masterbuilt that Fender CS made for ME. Not for Ronnie Wood, not Pete Townsend... not even EC. Just for me. It's physically worth 4 Eric Johnson models, and that's OK...it was MY choice. Not star power.

In my case I ask you this: " Where is the "value in quality or craftsmanship in these guitars..." as you put it? If you want to satisfy your hunger for a wonderfully built guitar for YOU...then have CS build you one. It's waht they do. If you want to drool over some rock star's guitar and want his...then there's an air of the pathetic around this whole thing.
And you're right about this: Fendermakes a lot of money with these models, and I have nothing against making money. They know EXACTLY the market place they're dealing with, and the associated hungers. If there's any magic here folks, it's purely in the marketing.

And don't come back with " well if you've ever played this one or that one...then blah blah,,,you'd love it, etc..." I'm not 19. I don't fall in love or lust that easily. I'm a former Fender dealer, and I own several of the real vintage guitars we hold in such high regard today. I also own Custom Shop. I've sold Fenders and repaired Fenders, sometimes for people who are famous and who's feet are kissed here by so many because they have a guitar with their name on it. While I like several of the Artist Series guitars, it does not cause me shakes, shivers and a desire to reach for my wallet. Many will, and that's fine. Maybe someday I'll find something I really like too in that vein and buy it. But it won't be because it had an artist's name on it. CS could have built me that with mine on it! :)

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:58 am
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No problem
If you don't like them don't buy them but don't denigrate their qualities as a whole as said before
If its' your feeling I understand you are a FORMER Fender Dealer,

The present ones do like their job and enjoy to sell the very best that the profession can deliver including the Tribute ones.


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Good lord! Sounds like someone hit a nerve!! :?


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"...but don't denigrate their qualities as a whole "

C'mon guys, sober up! Nobody's denegrating anything! I'm just trying to clean the slobber off the floor before someone falls and hurts themselves ;)


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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:17 pm
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I do buy my guitars without having a prior survey on Guitars Forums
So I'm cool on my decisions.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:43 pm
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Well said Alain, and that's the way I buy mine! Hell, if I listened to all the voices on guitar forums, I'd be no smarter than when I started in this racket 38 years ago. Some young buck would have me wishing away my 1958 Strat for a Jagstang!

How did Paul Simon say it in "The Boxer - 1968"? " All lies in jest; still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"

Everything is emotional. I FEEL this way...or I THINK this is the way it is or isn't. Know what Alain? Everybody that talks guitars should be forced to spend time behind a workbench taking hundreds and hunderds of them apart and fixing them. It would surely debunk a lot of romantic notions!
That being said, I just love the dang things :)


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Well said Alain, and that's the way I buy mine! Hell, if I listened to all the voices on guitar forums, I'd be no smarter than when I started in this racket 38 years ago. Some young buck would have me wishing away my 1958 Strat for a Jagstang!

How did Paul Simon say it in "The Boxer - 1968"? " All lies in jest; still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"

Everything is emotional. I FEEL this way...or I THINK this is the way it is or isn't. Know what Alain? Everybody that talks guitars should be forced to spend time behind a workbench taking hundreds and hunderds of them apart and fixing them. It would surely debunk a lot of romantic notions!
That being said, I just love the dang things :)


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well the next lifeless hunk of wood and wire im recieving is the Merle Haggard signature.the only reason i got ot was because of the little doggie on the headstock . and ofcourse my drooling rock star lust for Merle.has nothing to do with the guitar itself.


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gratz wrote:
well the next lifeless hunk of wood and wire im recieving is the Merle Haggard signature.the only reason i got ot was because of the little doggie on the headstock . and ofcourse my drooling rock star lust for Merle.has nothing to do with the guitar itself.

Hey Gratz! What's up my friend? Don't worry about slipping on the drool floor me and Alain mopped it up earlier! :lol: That Haggard is a fine guitar!! :wink:


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hey fhop ,your up late ,bad news about snowy ,sending prayers and good wishes his way,thanks for puttin out the thread looking for him or we would have not known


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i would love to own a YM sig or at least a guitar with a scalloped fretboard and can get the same features as a fender but i think his £7k custom shop guitar is OTT and over priced for someone who isn't exactly world wide known than say clapton or hendrix


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