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Post subject: Difference between '60 cs and '66 cs?
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:10 am
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Hey all,

Have the oppurtunity to buy an '66 CS for a bargain. It's from 2004 and Black with Rosewood? So, they made black '66 ones in 2004? Any clarification on this would be nice.
At first i was interested in a '60 CS but found this and they seems to be pretty similar, except for finish and F neck logo and pickups.

What are the difference between those?

Specs on the '66 one says it has an early 60's c neck shape. Same as the 60's then, I believe?


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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:27 pm
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i'm also looking for some infos about that and can't find some anywhere !
it's said the 66' is an early 60's C shape profile but is it exactly the same neck as a CS 60' stratocaster except the headstock ?

also, i'd like some infos about the pickups specifications like at least , what is specified for the other pu's Fender sells separetly : resistence , inductance and a few other thing they use to specify on older 90's and early 2000's catalogs .

these guitars sale for much money in the shops in France (and in USA as well !) but it's quiet difficult to get these infos.and anyway if ever it's to protect their work , people just have to buy one to see how they are made if they relly want to copy them, so there's no use hiding those infos .

i tried an original vintage 66' strat today a friend brought , plugged in a tweed deluxe 5e3 it sounded damn great !
better than any modern strat i ever had (never owned a custom shop one yet ) !
the neck made me think about some custom shop strats ri's ( but can't remember the year ;not a 66' though) i tried in some shops but not the custom shop 60' ri startocaster neck as , unless i'm wrong, i remember the custom shop 60' neck was smaller in my hand (the smallest strat neck i ever tried) .
the tone was unbelieveable, better than my mark knopfler start that , whatever i do , is still bright compared to that original 66' strat ( but it's a lightweight ash body , although i had a 50th anniversary 54- 2004 strat standard USA with maple neck, limited edition CS 50's pu's and ash body that sounded dull !) .
not a bad stratocaster but sounding less good although i tried some CS 69' and 57/62' pu's in it (both too bright in that guitar) as well as the stock texas special (too much mids for me and not as creamy as the complex mids heard with that particular original 66' strat .
the vintage pu's might be a big part of the difference.
one other difference between those guitars is the price !
that guy has several original ones, 63' , 66' ...
nice guitar with dark sounding amps.but with marshall i have to remove some treble on the amp and can't get that complex mids and creamy tone i had with the original 66' when we compared on that tweed deluxe (not the actual fender reissue) ...


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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:33 pm
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i went in a shop this afternoon to check the difference between the necks.
unlike what i remembered, the stratocaster custom shop 60' relic i tried today , had a neck profile that was similar (maybe a bit smaller) to the original 66' strat i tried yesterday.
i wanted to compare with the CS 66 strat but they only had a maple neck CS 66' strat whereas the CS 60' strat had a rosewood neck, so it was not as easy to compare and i had very little time to do it as they were closing and there was some people in the shop (so i couldn't even plug them , so tried them shortly unplugged) .
despite the rosewood/maple difference the necks seemed to be quiet similar but i couldn't say if they were exactly the same (i'd say the CS 66 maple seemed slightly bigger) .
also, a guy there told me all the custom shop necks are different, even on the same model / year of guitar (like all CS 60' wouldn't have exactly the same neck ; not sure if he was talking about the relic models only ?
they only had relic ones , what i'm not interested in !
i really don't see the point to pay 1000 $ more or so, to get a totaly beaten up guitar !
that's the kind of guitar you could not even sell if the "relic " hype was not there (except if it was a real 60's strat , as you can forgive its age to an old lady ! LOL).
some people say those guitar sound better than the NOS models !
so, how is it possible if they use exactly the same material but aged ??

or that would mean they choose the best sounding ones and age them ??

as far as i know (i could be wrong but i read both theory and would tend to believ the first ) , magnets are loosing very very few of their power with age , except when they have been in contact with extreme magnetic forces for a certain period of time (read the Seymour Duncan interview about Andy Summers guitar's pickups)

i also tried a CS 57' and the Eric Johson serie but its neck is not for me !
the 12 radius didn't please me on a strat .-


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i could really compare the 66 and 60 time machine stratocaster necks and the 66' is bigger than the 60' neck profile !
i don't understand why they specify early 60's c pofile for both on Fender website whereas they don't have the same neck profile !
the 66' has a bigger deeper neck profile (sort of a D neck profile ) that makes the neck even stiffer and seems to generate more high end (not high mids) .
i would say the CS60 has more of an oval neck profile what might be closer to the real 66' strat neck i tried but a bit smaller (the original 63' had more of a C profile with maybe less width at the nutwidth and maybe a bit deeper as some 67 SG gibson necks maybe ).
anyway, it seems the 66' has been discontinued as it has been removed from Fender website !
i'm surprised to see it seems there are fewer models now compared to a few years back.
and the only real new ones seem to be all these dealer special ones that seem to be mostly some hybrid vintage modern designs with 9,5 or 10" radius (not for me at least for the moment ! LOL) !!!
the pu's are quiet different as well obviously as the CS 60' are Formvar with slightly higher resistence (5,3k to 5,6k for the 66' and about 6K for the CS 60' but have'nt measured these CS 60 yet myself ) and the 66' are Enamel winding insulation what make them more transparent, with flatter mids and maybe more of a Jimi hendrix type of tone than the thicker bluesy SRV tone that should have the CS60 pu's (couldn't really compare them loud through my amps yet) , what should be closer to the 63' strat i tried (the original 66 strat was sounding closer to those Formvar early 60's strat tone interestingly but was a hardtail model).
but the CS 66' should be a bit brighter as well (partly due to the pu's but to teh bigger neck as well) , so, some may still pefer the earlier formvar pu's even for hendrix type of tone as strats are already bright instruments.
personaly, i like both , it depends on the guitar ! LOL


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