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Post subject: DG Relic vs. NOS - which is the collector piece
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:32 pm
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I am wondering what the relative value will be of the David Gilmour NOS vs. the Relic in future years. anyone have any insight?

I am seriously considering purchasing one of these guitars but given the cost, I want it as a collector piece first and a player second. I currently own a 91 strat deluxe and a 97 american standard tele - So I have my players. Now I want a good collector piece that I will be proud of, and have a good time playing at the house. I do like the new look of the NOS, but it seems the Relic would be worth much more in the long run, but I have no justification for why I feel that way. I guess I am leaning towards the NOS for the new look, but I don't want to spend all that money and miss out on the actual collector model. I have not seen either of these models in person yet.

finally, I have found a few of the first 500 in the NOS model, and can'f find a first 500 of the Relic model. So do you think that the first 500 of the NOS would be worth more in the long run than a Relic that is not one of the first 500?

I am a bit confused and would appreicate any insight, suggestions or opinoions on the subject.


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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:11 am
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Don't consider any of the two as a "collector's model".

Buy the one you like to play. It's a totally unlimited Edition so don't expect to make any profit in the reselling even of one of the first 500.
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Don't know where your from Branney but Sounds Great Music in England have a first 500 coming when they ship


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Sorry, meant to say first 500 relic


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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:01 pm
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thanks Alain....I was wondering if this was an unlimited run. I will still be getting one of the two models. I just have to decide which one I really want!


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Jaiyenyen - thanks for the info. I am in Portland, Oregon, USA. I think i found a store here in the states that have a few (when they ship of coarse). I am just waiting for the shop sales rep to call me back.


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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:13 am
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Get a NOS instead of Relic = can save some money. If you prefer Relic look more, then just tie a rope to the head stock of the NOS and pull it behind your car. After few miles it will look like a Relic for sure. Never got why people wanna pay any extra for beaten things - those beaten things should be cheaper, as if they screw up the NOS model´s finish then it´s instantly a Relic model....This is good just for the factory as they can earn more money by their mistakes = smart thing but doesn´t work for me...I accept no single scratch on my guitars when I buy them - those ugly scratches come by itself as time goes by - no need to pay any extra for them...

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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:32 am
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wessman wrote:
...those ugly scratches come by itself as time goes by - no need to pay any extra for them...

BR: reggae man


Yes but when you get older maybe time will go by too slowly (I mean only for the scratches alas :cry: ) so to buy an already-scratched guitar might be a good solution.

I think you gonna love that one :wink:

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid= ... t=lf&hl=fr

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A heartbreaking vid :cry:

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[quote="branney"]thanks Alain


When it comes to issues regarding collecting, Alain is ''The Source."
Consider yourself well advised.

Alain just posted elsewhere that he now intends to acquire one as a 'players' guitar after what appears to have been further investigation into the project. My initial question to him on that matter was to the contrary. :wink:

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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:29 pm
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With all due respect for evryone's opinion, I think that it's not so cool to say that you can get a Relic by dragging an NOS for a couple of blocks. I would like to see anyone actually try (myself included) and see if the result is as the actual Relic-(Retorical). To start with you need a three tone sunburst body, which by the way the NOS does not have. What you're getting is an exact representation of Gimour's guitar as is today with all the character marks of 30 plus years of loving use (or not), that's where the money goes.

Tom Murphy once said that when he was working on his first aged instruments, it could take him as long as one month to complete one guitar. I think people buy them like that (myself included) becuase they want the feel of having an aged instrument without having to wait for 30 plus years for checkings and character marks to appear of get a second mortgage on their home for a 57 strat or a 59 LP (good luck finding this last one to begin with).

The process is long and complex and if you get it wrong you don't get to sell it as it most likely will fail Fender's quality control. People who want a shiny guitar get the NOS and will leave their own character marks and start every checking from 0 and that's cool, but I don't think talking casually about a process that's highly complex and involves a high degree of skills, which none of us have is cool. To me, the extra dollar goes into all the process of making it look as close as possible to Gilmour's, otherwise honestly it's just a very nice strat with special wiring which in my humble opinion should not go for close to 4k at all, in any case it should be 2.5, 3k at the most like the CS Clapton, Beck, Cray, etc. to be consistent with other models.

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alainlafrance wrote:
Don't consider any of the two as a "collector's model".

Buy the one you like to play. It's a totally unlimited Edition so don't expect to make any profit in the reselling even of one of the first 500.
My 2 cents
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If you listen to Alain you can't go wrong about collecting! Like he says it's a players guitar! :wink:


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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:40 pm
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It's not a collecting matter, but it is a matter of taking what's good from either guitar depending on every person's taste, and appreciating each for their own virtues.

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[quote="stipe_mills@hotmail.com"] What you're getting is an exact representation of Gimour's guitar as is today with all the character marks of 30 plus years of loving use (or not), that's where the money goes.


On reading 'The Black Strat' it becomes obvious that the guitar has weathered much more structurally than just body checking. The body was crudely routed to be fitted with a humbucking pickup and it is not clear whether that was rebuilt when the single coils went back in. It was routed again for a Kahler trem, an XLR female connector, the damage for which was ultimately repaired, but the scars remain visible...in fact....if one looks closely viewing the Gdansk video, you can see the outline of the Kahler repair quite clearly.

This relic is not exactly the kind of reproduction that, lets say, the "Blackie" or the "SRV'' Tribute guitars which sold for $25000 and $10000 respectively. The Malmsteen, I understand, will list for $12500.

If it's worth the extra grand to have this characterized version, that is a personal choice. This is a labor intensive effort after all. As far as your impression of the costs, they are well within what Fender's Custom Shop asks for Master built guitars of this kind.

My personal feelings about the Clapton, after giving it some thought are as follows: It is owned by a private corporation which invested some hard dollars to come by it. The effort was, in part, a charitable one in that "Crossroads" got a piece of the action as did Fender. I personally believe that Guitar Center was the big winner in this becasue, if you do the math, the residual paid them back for their initial investment plus some. Hence, WE bought the 'Blackie' for them.

After all, this is still the music BUSINESS, which I have never ceased reminding you all of.

Rock on. Enjoy your guitars and.....if you want to start serious collecting, you can take the lead from Alain......'when you're ready'

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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:53 am
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zzdoc wrote:
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After all, this is still the music BUSINESS, which I have never ceased reminding you all of.
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Fully agree, be it modern guitars or vintage it's absolutely the same.

Still ,from time to time, you're happy not to have put all your savings into the Stock Market :wink:

Alain


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