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Post subject: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 10:28 pm
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Hi All!

Just wanted to ask. Can a Mustang do 100% wet only? Does it have a Kill Dry function? If it could, wanted to use it as a wet only effects amp (chorus, delays, reverbs etc) paired with my main amp, a Bassman 59 LTD. I need the amp to not have a dry signal leaking out at all.

Can the reverb also be programmed on the footswitch for an on and off function?

If it doesn't have a Kill Dry function, suggestions on another amp that may have this function? Would need it to have foot switch where I could turn the effects on and off as needed and have a tap tempo switch too.

Thanks in advance!


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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 10:55 pm
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Hi Lorvan

Kind of an odd question. :?

If there was no dry signal, there would be nothing, no sound at all, because the dry signal is the guitar before the effects. :lol:

Sounds like maybe you want a multi-effects pedal instead of a guitar amplifier. But, you will still have to run a "dry signal" through the effects for any sound. Try the "Preamp Out" of your Mustang amp, if you have one, then you need another amp to feed into for sound. :?:

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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 6:35 am
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I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish. Why would you want only the effects to come out of a different amp? It would sound weird just from the different locations alone, not to mention things like different speaker coloring etc.
You could maybe take the FX out signal, phase-invert it and mix it back together with the line-out signal - that would leave mostly just the wet signal. But I'm pretty sure it would sound like $@!&.


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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:32 pm
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Hi all, thanks for your posts. Would just like to say I agree, my question is odd. But it is just a feature that most effects modellers have now a days like TC Electronics. A Kill Dry function. I don't own a Mustang and have had little to no experience with digital amps and just wanted to know if this feature was available in this amp or any at all. Why I would like to kill the dry signal on the Mustang? Because I want to hear my Bassman. My current set up is a two amp set up, my effects are set up Kill Dry so on the 2nd amp it is all wet/time based effects only. All my drives (analoug) and clean are with the Bassman. Why? I like the seperation. I love my clean tone. I guess the Mustang doesn't do this. I just thought right now am lugging 2 amps around and effects, if I could get an amp that had effects and could do what my current rig is doing, that would be cool. Am a clean tone and overdrive nut but I definitely see the value of digital effects and a way around to preserve the clean part is to have all the digital stuff go through a 2nd amp. The 2nd amp doesn't have to be tube or of high quality, I have a Parametric Eq to help me with that. Oh, just to share, my second amp is a really cheap Rage amp. The tone is really bad. Like an AM radio. I have an Empress ParaEq that does wonders with it. Makes it sound Fendery! Thanks all for the input.


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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:52 pm
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I also have a couple of Lehle Parallel mixers to help with any phasing problems.


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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 11:37 pm
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OK, I think I understand what you're asking. You are referring to a parallel effects loop?

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When used in a parallel setup/loopthe Kill Dry function comes in handy.With Kill Dry activated, no direct signal will bepassed to the Outputs.

The idea of a parallel loop can be compared to the signal path of a mixer. The signal is split, - one part runs unprocessed to out and never passes the effects processor. The other part is processed and summed with the unprocessed signal. Therefore you will not get full benefit from all effects when running a parallel setup. This goes especially for level based effects such as Tremolo and Panner but also Chorus/Flanger/ Phaser/Vibrato and Pitch will be affected.

If this is what you're asking, unfortunately I do not know the answer. But there's a few folks over in the Mustang™ I / II / III / IV / V / Mini / Floor section of the forum who would probably know. LINK: viewforum.php?f=27

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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:22 pm
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The Mustang (v2) Models III and IV as well as the Model V head unit can do this! It is not directly deigned as a kill dry function, but configuring the amp to do most of what you want would be a cinch. Particulary, with the four button footswitch included with the Model IV and V. For the Model III, you would need to add the Four button footswitch. (The Model III only comes with the two button footswitch.

One way to do as you wish would be to simply configue one of the QuickAcess footswitch buttons QA1,Q2,QA3) to use an amp configuration where the Master Volume, Gain, Level, etc., have been set for Zero. Another QA preset would be your otherwise configured Amp selection with any of the effect banks you wish enabled. And another preset with the same confiuration but however you wish to configure your dry configuration.

As to your other question regarding Reverb, one of the features of the footswitch is that it has a dedicated capability to toggle the Stomp, Mod and Delay effects. As I recollect, toggling the Reverb can be done with the Model III's two button footwitch very easily when used with the four button switch. I do believe that toggling the Reverb using the four button footswitch may be directly configurable via the Amp's Util menu for instances when no additional 2 button fs is present. I'd have to check to be sure. Either way, you could also use the Preset method mentioned above to step back and forth between two identical presets except that one has Reverb enabled and the other not. The four buttpn fs also supports setting the Delay interval via tapping.

The four button footswitch easily also steps between modes so you can also access more presets via the the up/down and Bank features.

The Mustang models also have XLR line outs, and 1/4" FX Send and FX Return. The Model IV and V provide a stereo L/R pair of 1/4" jacks for the effects loops.

There is also an optional EXP-1 Expression pedal that adds more feature controls and can be configured to kill the signal to the effects or the master volume entirely. It has lots of flexibilty.

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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:12 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
The Mustang (v2) Models III and IV as well as th Model V head unit can do this!

No, they can't. Read again what he wants. What you are describing is a kill switch, not a kill dry switch.


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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:29 pm
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Lorvan explained a number of issues in his posts, aside from solely mentioning kill dry.

He can best determine to what extent the decribed Mustang features of the v2 models may suit his objectives.

If he wants a 100% Wet Signal the Mustangs can do it.
If he wants to Toggle the Reverb the Mustangs can do it.
If he wants to Tap to set the Delay the Mustangs can do it.
If he wants to toggle between two otherwise identical presets except for enabled or disabled effects, the Mustangs can do it.
If he wants to lighten his load the Mustangs are lightweight.
The Mustangs sound very good and can be very loud.

Lorvan, I have a Mustang III and a Mustang IV. Both v2.

Feel free to post any more questions, and I'll be glad to help further if I can.

The Mustang Forum is also a great place to post.

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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:20 pm
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I agree 100% with MusicLaw. My experienced based on the MIV V2 and a Mustang Mini: both incredibly versatile and sound great.

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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:52 pm
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Running a wet amp and a dry amp is good for preserving dynamic punch and still having effects. Most effects compress the signal and the amp loses it's dynamic cut.
The main problem is with phase error between amps. So you use identical amps have the same phase delay and everything comes out in phase. Amps that have similar number of gain stages generally have the same phase delay as well.
The Mustang, being a digital amp has a lot of phase delay. Most digital amps have 1.5Msec latentcy in the processor alone. Add the delay produced by the coupling caps and its higher.
It's unlikely that the Mustang will pair nicely with anything other than another Mustang or another digital amp.


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Post subject: Re: Does a Mustang have a Kill Dry function?
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:00 am
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This brief article may be informative for some following this thread:
FX LOOPS EXPLAINED | PRO GUITAR SHOP
http://proguitarshop.com/andyscorner/fx-loops-explained

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