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Post subject: Re: Demystify amps for me please, also a question.
Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:40 am
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You couldn't go wrong with a Mustang version 2.0 - especially a III, IV or V which have deep editing available onboard without plugging into a computer.

Having said that; I acquired a Super-Sonic 22 last month and haven't so much as gone to the basement to look at my Mustang V half-stack since! I am having so much fun with the Super-Sonic tone and messing with the few pedals I own!

Wish you were in the STL area... I would happily trade my Mustang V half-stack for your Hot Rod Deluxe!

The thing that is so great with the modelers though is getting full tone at any volume. Again, take the Mustang V - at 150 watts you could gig a stadium. But you can also play in the bedroom at any level of "tube saturation" modeling. My half=stack has never been gigged and, subsequently, has never been dialed past 4 on the master volume!

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Post subject: Re: Demystify amps for me please, also a question.
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:50 pm
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John Sims wrote:
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Hi Tim,

Thank you for your extremely interesting and extensive post....


And, on the strength of it I am now £100 poorer having decided to revalve two of my 5W amps. Hopefully it will be an investment, at least that is what I will be telling my dearly beloved.

The amps receiving attention are the Bugera V5, which I feel is a bit sterile and my 5F2a clone which seems to create pot noises from my guitar volume controls, when none is apparent on the other amps and faint frying sounds when the guitar is on anything but 10.

The Bugera gets:-
EL84 JJ Tesla
ECC83-STR/Harma-DR250 Hi Gain - I am hoping this will encourage ad bit more enthusiasm from the Bugera

The 5F2a gets:-
ECC83/5751-JJ Tesla Gold Pin
6V6GTS/ JJ Tesla Cryo - according to Watford valves "The Cryo treatment enhances the overall performance of this valves by giving extend clarity in the high end and upper midrange. This removes the upper end brittleness that is associated with this JJ valve.
In clean playing application the JJ 6V6GTS has more clear high end with and tighter crisper midband. The bass response is also deeper, tighter and more controlled.
In overdriven mode the Cryo JJ 6V6GTS has a tighter bass and more even response
with more note clarity. The Cryo treatment enhances the 6V6GTS valves overload characteristic which results in a fatter and tighter sound with a smoother more sustaining overdrive when the valve is pushed into distortion. This feature is not available in the standard untreated JJ 6V6GTS.
The Cryo JJ 6V6GTS also gives the overdriven sound a larger more detailed soundstage"

Well if all that is true?

The Cryo treated valve only came as a matched pair so I'll be able to treat my modified Champion 600 to a new valve as well :-)

If the Harma Hi Gain doesn't excite the Bugera it will find its way into one of the Fenders.


The Bugera re valve was great .... The 6v6gt Cryos were flipin' horrible and a complete waste of £50, as they only came as matched pairs.

It just goes to show what a significant impact valve choice has.

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Post subject: Re: Demystify amps for me please, also a question.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:35 am
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Thanks, John for sharing your results.
Experiments are not always successful, but it sounds like one of your amps is sweeter now.
It shows that ears, not labels are to be trusted.
Perhaps you can contact that supplier and exchange the 6V6s for something else, like JJs, so it's not a total loss.


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Post subject: Re: Demystify amps for me please, also a question.
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:02 pm
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TimsAudio wrote:
Thanks, John for sharing your results.
Experiments are not always successful, but it sounds like one of your amps is sweeter now.
It shows that ears, not labels are to be trusted.
Perhaps you can contact that supplier and exchange the 6V6s for something else, like JJs, so it's not a total loss.


At the moment the Cryo treated JJ s are being held as emergency spares but they didn't work for me.

I had swapped them into two 5 watt amps replacing an Electro harmonix and a Ruby Tubes. Both these original valves gave me great tone variation through all 5 pick up positions on my Strats. I particularly liked the neck position as it gave a great scooped Hendrix type tone.

The Cryo treated JJs ruined this . There was far less variation over the PUP positions, the Hendrix sound had gone and both amps sounded like my Marshall - but not in a good way.

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