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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:49 pm
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mmcwill wrote:
I've had the Supersonic 22, which is pretty close to the Deluxe Reverb, and I'll take the Vibrolux any day!


To my ears the SS22 doesn't sound like the 68 CDR.
Both are nice, but I like the CDR over the SS22 and the DRRI.
CVR is a different tonal beast compared to those 6V6 amps.

The guitar makes a big difference too as to which amps sounds better with which guitar, and then distortion pedals sound different too.
It all depends on what the player personally likes.
If the amp you have inspires you to play, then that's the amp for you.
That's why we are lucky to have all these choices. :)

I was waffling between the CDR or CVR and decided on the CDR, and I've also decided that I'm also keeping my 68 CVR.
Yes! No need to decide which one to keep, keep both. :)


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:47 am
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"I was waffling between the CDR or CVR and decided on the CDR, and I've also decided that I'm also keeping my 68 CVR.
Yes! No need to decide which one to keep, keep both. :)"


Waffle no more! Keep them for a year and sell the one you never use. Trust me, it will come that.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:20 am
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Yes, the CVR is a different tonal amp. Suggest trying to A/B them to get the best of both worlds. I always A/B my amps, and as expected, provides a much fuller sound to shape the tone you want. I've only had the new CVR for about a month but a quite pleased with it and it really comes to life at around 4-5 on volume control. I find a nice combination with the CVR and the DDRI, Hot Rod Deluxe III, or a 2-12 Deville.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:32 pm
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mmcwill wrote:
"I was waffling between the CDR or CVR and decided on the CDR, and I've also decided that I'm also keeping my 68 CVR.
Yes! No need to decide which one to keep, keep both. :)"


Waffle no more! Keep them for a year and sell the one you never use. Trust me, it will come that.


Right on!
That's the plan for now.
I'm going to run them in stereo for now.
My TC Electronics Flashback delay has stereo out and it works nicely.

But, I need a couple of A/B switches to go between each amps channels.
It would be really cool if Fender modernized these amps just a bit and put in channel switching, especially on the silver face amps since each channel has different tone stacks unlike the DRRI and TRRI.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:44 pm
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I was thinking of trying to use both channels of my CDR and CVR.
People have said the both channels can be used together with different instruments plugged into each channel.
So, I'm going to try and plug a single guitar into both channels at the same time to hear that may sound like.

I've also read that pulling the pre tube from the channel you're not using will up the gain on the channel you want to use.
Question: I prefer the "modified" channel to the vintage most of the time.
If I pull the vintage pre tube would that give the modified channel more clean headroom?

I'll give it a try to hear what happens.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:36 pm
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Try a Timmy pedal if you want some gain for the CVR/CDR. Best overdrive on the planet and at $129, it's a steal!


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:46 pm
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Rverb wrote:
.....If I pull the vintage pre tube would that give the modified channel more clean headroom?

I'll give it a try to hear what happens.


The exact opposite, earlier breakup, as the voltage for the remaining tubes will increase a bit.

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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:58 am
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Hey guys. I have a DRRI ..which sounds great!, and it is just fine for a good number of gigs that I do, but recently, I landed a spot on a pretty cool NYC band that MOST of the time does not mic-up the guitar backline, and a good number of the venues are a bit larger than your run-of-the-mill Bar/Restaurant, and the DRRI is not really staying clean enough for many of the 50s/60s material that we do. So, this is for the guys who have, or have checked out and/or A/B'd the DRRI and the '68 Vibrolux Reverb. Is the VR a bit..(or hopefully a little more than a bit) cleaner at a little higher volume?
Thank you very much, fellas...I really do appreciate it.
Tommy


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:33 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
Rverb wrote:
.....If I pull the vintage pre tube would that give the modified channel more clean headroom?

I'll give it a try to hear what happens.


The exact opposite, earlier breakup, as the voltage for the remaining tubes will increase a bit.


Ah, that makes more sense.
In the CDR I don't need any earlier break up as it starts to break around 4.
The CVR stays cleaner at a louder level, which of course is what is expected.

I have to get into the CDR and adjust the bias.
I'd like to get it adjusted so that I can get as much clean volume as I can.
I am running a 12AT7 for the phase inverter and that helps to keep it cleaner.
Need to get some nice lower gain pre tubes too to try in the CDR.
The Jan Phillips 5751's sound really great in V1 on both channels, but the 2 that I have are really microphonic in the CDR and CVR even though they work without a problem in the Egnater Ven head.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:52 pm
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Rverb wrote:
.....................The Jan Phillips 5751's sound really great in V1 on both channels, but the 2 that I have are really microphonic in the CDR and CVR even though they work without a problem in the Egnater Ven head.

That's because they're not being pummeled by sound waves.

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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:24 pm
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IM4Tone wrote:
Rverb wrote:
.....................The Jan Phillips 5751's sound really great in V1 on both channels, but the 2 that I have are really microphonic in the CDR and CVR even though they work without a problem in the Egnater Ven head.

That's because they're not being pummeled by sound waves.


Yes, of course. Tubes inside combo's can give bad effects whereas that might not happen in a head where the tubes are away from the speakers.

I don't play my Fender combos loudly so the actual bad effects of microphonics don't affect me very much at all. Crank'em way up and yup here come the ringing and feedback.
The big problem I've had with those tubes in the CDR and CVR is that they caused the volume pots to become very scratchy.
That was a new one on me. I've never experienced that issue before in any tube amp.
But, now I know it can happen. :)


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:19 pm
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Maybe you could have worded that better. The pots weren't scratchy, the tubes were noisy, and the noise was apparent when turning the pots.

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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:13 am
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Good day from Great Britain chaps - This thread inspired me to finally register.

This post is not meant to deter from the thread, I feel this may add to it for others who may be in the situation as myself.

I'm stuck between the CDR, a CVR and a Super Reverb. I play in a band and we play alot of classic rock, blues and heavy rock. I think I can achieve what I need between 25-35 watts bracket.

I use a 1959HW Marshall 100w attenuated which gets all the sounds I want (not the JCM800 crunch, just vintage Marshall tones), but its a $@!&* to carry to gig's every Friday and it does need servicing now and again, so I would like a Fender combo that can break up at a good volume and generally get away with the stuff I play on the Marshall (Hendrix, RATM, Guns and Roses, Nirvana, Stone Roses, Philip Sayce, SRV etc)

I need an amp that sounds fairly huge as its a loud three piece that I play in. So think thick strong rhythm and big full bodied solo's.

With your experience, I have a few questions.

Which one breaks up more?
Which one breaks up soonest?
Is there a big Db difference between the two amps?
Is there a difference between how big the amps sound?
Am I in the wrong amp section of Fender - if so what?

The CVR sounds good, but the lack of low end (as previously mentioned) has be worried, gotta love the open low E flat 'BONG' - it's my favorite note..

Any info would be appreciated.

Marc

P.S. - I'm glad you found out what was causing your scratchy pot syndrome. I've had scratchy pot/tube related issues before, they were all down to a dirty / contacts open too much on the valve bases.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:34 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
Maybe you could have worded that better. The pots weren't scratchy, the tubes were noisy, and the noise was apparent when turning the pots.



Would this have helped:
"The big problem I've had with those tubes in the CDR and CVR is that they caused the volume pots to sound very scratchy."?
Or,
The effect of using those noisy tubes resulted in scratchy sounding pots.

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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:00 pm
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yamz89 wrote:
Good day from Great Britain chaps - This thread inspired me to finally register.

This post is not meant to deter from the thread, I feel this may add to it for others who may be in the situation as myself.

I'm stuck between the CDR, a CVR and a Super Reverb. I play in a band and we play alot of classic rock, blues and heavy rock. I think I can achieve what I need between 25-35 watts bracket.

I use a 1959HW Marshall 100w attenuated which gets all the sounds I want (not the JCM800 crunch, just vintage Marshall tones), but its a $@!&* to carry to gig's every Friday and it does need servicing now and again, so I would like a Fender combo that can break up at a good volume and generally get away with the stuff I play on the Marshall (Hendrix, RATM, Guns and Roses, Nirvana, Stone Roses, Philip Sayce, SRV etc)

I need an amp that sounds fairly huge as its a loud three piece that I play in. So think thick strong rhythm and big full bodied solo's.

With your experience, I have a few questions.

Which one breaks up more?
Which one breaks up soonest?
Is there a big Db difference between the two amps?
Is there a difference between how big the amps sound?
Am I in the wrong amp section of Fender - if so what?

The CVR sounds good, but the lack of low end (as previously mentioned) has be worried, gotta love the open low E flat 'BONG' - it's my favorite note..

Any info would be appreciated.

Marc

P.S. - I'm glad you found out what was causing your scratchy pot syndrome. I've had scratchy pot/tube related issues before, they were all down to a dirty / contacts open too much on the valve bases.


The CDR breaks up sooner at a lower volume.
Both amps have a cool power tube distortion, but I like the CDR's natural crunch a bit more, that could be due to me liking the CDR's tone a bit more.

Both amps have a good low end with the CDR's 12" going just a tad deep in frequency, but the CVR's dual 10's does push it's low end nicely.

To my ears, the CVR has a bit more of a mid scoop to it at any eq setting.
Turn on the "bright" circuit and the scoop becomes more prominent.
This is not a bad thing for some things, but it is there and worth noting.

Some CVR players have installed different speakers and that may do the trick for you too. I plugged my CVR in my 2x12 V30 loaded cab and that is a very sweet and deep tone and with the 2x12 the CVR's volume can easily hand with a loud band.
Plugging the CVR into the CDR's single 12" also resulted in a very good sound.
So an option would be to swap the 2-10's for a single 12" or even a single 15".
The 15" would be a very unique tone, more like a junior version of the 15" Twin reverb, which is a great sounding amp with lots of depth.

The only issue with the CDR and a band is that break up starts around 4 on the volume and gets really sweet by 6-7.
But, if you need that level of amp volume and you need a clean tone you can't get it with the CDR.
The CVR gets to a respectable clean volume before break up sets in.

For playing live and needing a good clean volume level the CVR may be the better option. But you really have to try them out yourself.
I use gain and distortion pedals much more than the amps natural distortion as the volume has to be pretty high to get it, with the CVR needing to be louder before break up sets in.

All that probably didn't help much. :)
I hope you get a chance to try each amp with your band as that would really tell you something.
I don't know if you have any retailers like Guitar Center in the Britain, but here in the US you can buy an amp and try it out for 30 days and you can still return it within that time. Then, get the other amp and try it, and then decide which one to get. Or, get both at the same time and try them side by side for 30 days and keep the one you like and return the other.

Happy amp hunting. :)


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