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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:51 pm
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Bright switch popping occurs in every blackface Fender amp ever made. Normal.


This is not correct, no popping on any of my BF amps when engaging the bright switch..


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:44 pm
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Get another CVR.
If you got one that is noisy/hissing, then that's not a good CVR.
My CVR is very quiet, quieter than my 68 CDR. The CDR doesn't have hissing but it has a low level hum that's not bad once I start playing. For recording it might be a problem but it's not that loud.
The CVR is not a supersonic and not really intended to be an SS.
It's closer in tone to a lower power Twin Reverb mated with a DLX reverb.
Before giving up try one more CVR.

I've said it already and I'l agree with you, the Ten-30 speakers are what keep the CVR from being the best it can be.
Yes, it's still a very good sounding amp with those speakers, but it's an even better sounding amp with the V-type in my CDR and with the V30's in my 2x12 cab.

It's not a big issue though. Since there are 2x10 in the cab I'm only going to change one and listen for what it does. With 2 different speakers in there it might be really good.
That is if I keep the CVR, which has won a few tone rounds recently against my CDR. :)



Well, I did just that, and the noise floor is better and this one's a keeper! Still a bit of hiss but hardly noticeable when she's turned up. The sounds coming from it are beautiful and perfect for funk using my Tele in the middle position. Cranked through a Timmy pedal, it's delicious. Even though I dissed the Celestion 10s, they don't sound bad although I feel they are woefully inefficient but they do crunch up readily. However, I am interested in Ragin' Cajuns OR would like to try the new WGS Green Beret 10" speakers that just came out. The magnet structure in those babies so huge, it may not fit without abutting the power tube cage.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:33 pm
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Get another CVR.
If you got one that is noisy/hissing, then that's not a good CVR.
My CVR is very quiet, quieter than my 68 CDR. The CDR doesn't have hissing but it has a low level hum that's not bad once I start playing. For recording it might be a problem but it's not that loud.
The CVR is not a supersonic and not really intended to be an SS.
It's closer in tone to a lower power Twin Reverb mated with a DLX reverb.
Before giving up try one more CVR.

I've said it already and I'l agree with you, the Ten-30 speakers are what keep the CVR from being the best it can be.
Yes, it's still a very good sounding amp with those speakers, but it's an even better sounding amp with the V-type in my CDR and with the V30's in my 2x12 cab.

It's not a big issue though. Since there are 2x10 in the cab I'm only going to change one and listen for what it does. With 2 different speakers in there it might be really good.
That is if I keep the CVR, which has won a few tone rounds recently against my CDR. :)



Well, I did just that, and the noise floor is better and this one's a keeper! Still a bit of hiss but hardly noticeable when she's turned up. The sounds coming from it are beautiful and perfect for funk using my Tele in the middle position. Cranked through a Timmy pedal, it's delicious. Even though I dissed the Celestion 10s, they don't sound bad although I feel they are woefully inefficient but they do crunch up readily. However, I am interested in Ragin' Cajuns OR would like to try the new WGS Green Beret 10" speakers that just came out. The magnet structure in those babies so huge, it may not fit without abutting the power tube cage.


Awesome!

It is a great amp in it's own right.
The tones are great.
If I hadn't had both the CVR and CDR next to each other, then I would easily keep the CVR and not look back.
Each day I play them I'm back and forth. :)
Luckily, I have to make a decision in the next 5 days or risk my return window and then I'll permanently own both amps.

BTW, the bright switch does NOT pop on my CVR, and it's not really a black face either.
It's silver.
Why do I mention the volume difference between the channels?
Because my CDR is also a silver faced modified amp. The CVR is the same idea.
On the CDR the volumes are very close on each channel at same settings.
The tone circuits are different but the pre's are the same and the power tubes are the same. So it's a volume difference. The tone difference is a good thing.
Also, I'm not worried about the volume difference, it's just something I noticed and commented on. It's not a big deal. :)


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:17 pm
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Rverb wrote:
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Get another CVR.
If you got one that is noisy/hissing, then that's not a good CVR.
My CVR is very quiet, quieter than my 68 CDR. The CDR doesn't have hissing but it has a low level hum that's not bad once I start playing. For recording it might be a problem but it's not that loud.
The CVR is not a supersonic and not really intended to be an SS.
It's closer in tone to a lower power Twin Reverb mated with a DLX reverb.
Before giving up try one more CVR.

I've said it already and I'l agree with you, the Ten-30 speakers are what keep the CVR from being the best it can be.
Yes, it's still a very good sounding amp with those speakers, but it's an even better sounding amp with the V-type in my CDR and with the V30's in my 2x12 cab.

It's not a big issue though. Since there are 2x10 in the cab I'm only going to change one and listen for what it does. With 2 different speakers in there it might be really good.
That is if I keep the CVR, which has won a few tone rounds recently against my CDR. :)



Well, I did just that, and the noise floor is better and this one's a keeper! Still a bit of hiss but hardly noticeable when she's turned up. The sounds coming from it are beautiful and perfect for funk using my Tele in the middle position. Cranked through a Timmy pedal, it's delicious. Even though I dissed the Celestion 10s, they don't sound bad although I feel they are woefully inefficient but they do crunch up readily. However, I am interested in Ragin' Cajuns OR would like to try the new WGS Green Beret 10" speakers that just came out. The magnet structure in those babies so huge, it may not fit without abutting the power tube cage.


Awesome!

It is a great amp in it's own right.
The tones are great.
If I hadn't had both the CVR and CDR next to each other, then I would easily keep the CVR and not look back.
Each day I play them I'm back and forth. :)
Luckily, I have to make a decision in the next 5 days or risk my return window and then I'll permanently own both amps.

BTW, the bright switch does NOT pop on my CVR, and it's not really a black face either.
It's silver.
Why do I mention the volume difference between the channels?
Because my CDR is also a silver faced modified amp. The CVR is the same idea.
On the CDR the volumes are very close on each channel at same settings.
The tone circuits are different but the pre's are the same and the power tubes are the same. So it's a volume difference. The tone difference is a good thing.
Also, I'm not worried about the volume difference, it's just something I noticed and commented on. It's not a big deal. :)


The custom channel seems to have more mids than the vintage, otherwise, they sound the same albeit there is a slight volume boost in the custom channel. Anyway, I went ahead and ordered a pair of the WGS Green Beret 10" speakers. As always, if I don't like it, I'll send them back. Can't wait to hear them and see what this mutha can do with some good transducers!


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:49 pm
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Well, I did just that, and the noise floor is better and this one's a keeper! Still a bit of hiss but hardly noticeable when she's turned up. The sounds coming from it are beautiful and perfect for funk using my Tele in the middle position. Cranked through a Timmy pedal, it's delicious. Even though I dissed the Celestion 10s, they don't sound bad although I feel they are woefully inefficient but they do crunch up readily. However, I am interested in Ragin' Cajuns OR would like to try the new WGS Green Beret 10" speakers that just came out. The magnet structure in those babies so huge, it may not fit without abutting the power tube cage.



The custom channel seems to have more mids than the vintage, otherwise, they sound the same albeit there is a slight volume boost in the custom channel. Anyway, I went ahead and ordered a pair of the WGS Green Beret 10" speakers. As always, if I don't like it, I'll send them back. Can't wait to hear them and see what this mutha can do with some good transducers![/quote]

Yeah, the custom channel has a distinct tonal difference just like on the
CDR, which is a great thing and what makes the modified series more versatile.
The vintage channel is brighter and the modified has more mid and a bit deeper/bassy-er too.
The thing I'm noticing more is that the CVR compared to the CDR has a more mid "scooped" tone, more compressed too. It works great with distortion pedals.
But it's not as rich in the mids as the CDR.
The CDR has a more classic warmth, the CVR is a more modern sound.

I'm getting a quick raspy distortion from the CVR when playing clean and I hit a low chord something with an open low E. It's a quick transient distortion and it's not a good sound.
Sounds almost like cone break up like one of the speakers is not quite right.
Just noticed it tonight. I've got to plug it into my 2x12 cab to see if I'm getting it through those speakers as well. If it's still there, then it may be one of the pre's.
I've heard something similar in another tube amp and it was on of the pre tubes.

One other thing I've been hearing, the reverb in the CVR sounds better than the CDR.
It's smoother, more like the DRRI.
+1 for the CVR over the CDR in that area.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:45 pm
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Well, I did just that, and the noise floor is better and this one's a keeper! Still a bit of hiss but hardly noticeable when she's turned up. The sounds coming from it are beautiful and perfect for funk using my Tele in the middle position. Cranked through a Timmy pedal, it's delicious. Even though I dissed the Celestion 10s, they don't sound bad although I feel they are woefully inefficient but they do crunch up readily. However, I am interested in Ragin' Cajuns OR would like to try the new WGS Green Beret 10" speakers that just came out. The magnet structure in those babies so huge, it may not fit without abutting the power tube cage.



The custom channel seems to have more mids than the vintage, otherwise, they sound the same albeit there is a slight volume boost in the custom channel. Anyway, I went ahead and ordered a pair of the WGS Green Beret 10" speakers. As always, if I don't like it, I'll send them back. Can't wait to hear them and see what this mutha can do with some good transducers!


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Yeah, the custom channel has a distinct tonal difference just like on the
CDR, which is a great thing and what makes the modified series more versatile.
The vintage channel is brighter and the modified has more mid and a bit deeper/bassy-er too.
The thing I'm noticing more is that the CVR compared to the CDR has a more mid "scooped" tone, more compressed too. It works great with distortion pedals.
But it's not as rich in the mids as the CDR.
The CDR has a more classic warmth, the CVR is a more modern sound.

I'm getting a quick raspy distortion from the CVR when playing clean and I hit a low chord something with an open low E. It's a quick transient distortion and it's not a good sound.
Sounds almost like cone break up like one of the speakers is not quite right.
Just noticed it tonight. I've got to plug it into my 2x12 cab to see if I'm getting it through those speakers as well. If it's still there, then it may be one of the pre's.
I've heard something similar in another tube amp and it was on of the pre tubes.

One other thing I've been hearing, the reverb in the CVR sounds better than the CDR.
It's smoother, more like the DRRI.
+1 for the CVR over the CDR in that area.


I've had the amp for a week and a half and I'm loving it. Glad I took it back and found a good sample as the QC of Fender products can be dicey as many have discovered.

The new WGS Green Beret 10s (their version of a 10" Celestion Greenback) should be in Monday tomorrow and I can't wait. I should have them installed in under 30 minutes and I'm hoping they live up to the hype. In fairness, even though the magnets on the TEN 30s are very small, the speakers have a nice crispness about them. I'll give a report to the forum when I get them installed.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:05 pm
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I've had a pair of Eminence Ragin' Cajuns in my 68 CVR for about a week and a half and I must say that Fender would have been better off making this amp as a "head" like a Bassman or Bandmaster rather than a combo. IMHO, the Ragin' Cajuns just woke this amp from a deep sleep and made it the amp it should have been in the first place. I keep asking myself, "How did Fender make a 6L6 amp sound like a more powerful 6V6 amp?" But fact is...they did! It's an awesome sounding Fender amp. I prefer a little more headroom before breakup, but with the new speakers the CVR shines.

If you ask me, Fender should offer a trio of "Head" amps like a 85-100 W Twin, a 40-50 W Bandmaster, and a 22 W Deluxe (like a Showman, 1/2 Showman and 1/4 Showman :D ) with/without Reverb & Tremolo...I don't care. What I've seen here on the Fender Forum is that guitarists mostly are picky about speakers and effects. Giving us a choice of British or American speaker cabs 10x2, 10x4, 12x1 or 2, or 1 or 2x 15 would satisfy a bunch of us in 1 fell swoop and amps with OTs with switchable 4, 8, or 16 ohm speaker loads. All the other effects can be external, as in your very own pedal board or a Mustang Floor or whatever.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:39 pm
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Just got mine Oct 25 and so far a very great sounding amp. I have a 2007 Blackface Custom Vibrolux Reverb which has a larger cabinet, tilt back legs, and 2-10s Jensens. Has more bottom than the 68 CVR, but that may be due to the speakers need some playing/break-in period. So far, so good. I've owned other amps and I always go back to the Fender amps and Strats.


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The WGS Green Beret 10" speakers (25 watts - their version of the Celestion Greenback) came earlier in the week and I installed them in the Vibro in under 30 minutes. The sound of these babies are awesome - compared to the TEN 30, there's a tab more midrange push, but these speakers do not bark, but croon. Smooth! Articulate highs and a surprising amount of lows with an early breakup and they sound absolutely fantastic. With my Timmy pedal (by Paul Cochrane), it's over the top. But having said these accolades, the TEN 30s are not that bad. The TENs are actually a tad brighter and resonate lower, but don't sound quite as meaty which I attribute to its wimpy magnet structure. If there's a downside, it's that the WGS speakers added almost 20 lbs to the weight of the amp, which was pretty manageable given the bantam weight of the Celestions. Nonetheless, I love this amp. Kudos to Fender for bringing it out on the market.


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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:23 pm
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Someday, I'd love to see somebody post a side-by-side comparison of the original CVR (not the vintage one, but the one they just discontinued), and this new 68CVR.


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:55 pm
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Howdy - After owning a 68CVR for a few weeks and a few gigs now, here are my thoughts:

It's an ideal size/weight for when my '66 Super is too much amp, and my '95 Vox AC15 is not enough. As for the tone (and I fully acknowledge that is a very subjective topic of discussion), I needed to do a bit of work to get it closer to where I wanted.

First, the only Celestions I've ever really cared for are the good, old AlNiCo Blues (love those). Right away, I was annoyed by the honky mid-range of the stock 10-30s (which, let's face it, are el cheapo speakers), which I replaced with some Jensen P10Rs I had lying around. They're not necessarily my favorites (I prefer old CTS AlNiCos, but the set I have are in the Super), but they're a lot closer to what I like. Next, it seemed to me the amp was a little imbalanced when it came to preamp vs. power amp gain/overdrive. I swapped the stock 12AX7s in V1 and V2 with some old 12AT7s I had (a Westinghouse and I think an RCA), and boy, what a difference. Again, subjective, I know, but the amp seemed to open up quite a bit, and the "harshness" (which I would describe as highs and upper mids) mellowed nicely.

Now for the power tubes and factory recommended bias settings: In short, for some reason, Fender recommends running this amp really, really cold. At around 412 volts on the plates, Fender wants us to run the tubes around 30 milliamps, making for about 12 watts a tube (around 40% plate dissipation at idle). For reference, to run in class AB mode (which almost all Fenders do), most techs run a tube around 70% of its max, which, in the case of a 6L6, is about 21 watts. The amp came with what I believe to be Groove Tube labeled JJ 6L6s, which I actually run and like in my Super and Vibro King. However, per the recommendations from my amp guru, I decided to try out some of the Tung Sol 6L6-STRs. Most the reviews I read online were positive, and, almost universally, they were described as "mellowing out" harsh amps. I also read they liked to be run a little cooler than most other 6L6s (50%-60% instead of 70%), which seemed to be more in line with what Fender had in mind with the 68CVR. The choice of the Tung Sols worked out well, in my opinion.

I installed and biased the STRs to about 18 watts each (411 volts at 45 milliamps), burned them in for a couple of hours, and gigged last night. I noticed immediately a fuller, fatter, more rounded tone, while retaining great articulation. With the JJs, when the amp was pushed, it got pretty harsh and thin. Now, that might have been the fact that I didn't bump the bias up AS MUCH on the JJs, or it might have been the tubes themselves. If I get up the gumption, maybe I'll try the JJs again but with a higher bias setting.

I should note that the 68CVR, while stock, seemed to "like" single coil pickups better than humbuckers, but that's not AS much the case after I tweaked it. I've found that I like my strat plugged into the Vintage channel input 1 then jumped from input 2 to input 1 of the Custom channel. When I want more grit, I just dial up the Custom channel, which doesn't seem to affect the overall volume all that much (a little bit, to be sure, but everything just gets "bigger" sounding doing that). With my ES335, I'm not entirely sure which configuration I like better yet. Judging from my tinkering around today, I'm digging the "Custom" channel all by itself with the Lollar Imperials. It's definitely closer to a tweed sound than a blackface.

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Post subject: Re: 68 Custom Vibrolux Reverb Reviews
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:18 pm
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Howdy - After owning a 68CVR for a few weeks and a few gigs now, here are my thoughts:

It's an ideal size/weight for when my '66 Super is too much amp, and my '95 Vox AC15 is not enough. As for the tone (and I fully acknowledge that is a very subjective topic of discussion), I needed to do a bit of work to get it closer to where I wanted.

First, the only Celestions I've ever really cared for are the good, old AlNiCo Blues (love those). Right away, I was annoyed by the honky mid-range of the stock 10-30s (which, let's face it, are el cheapo speakers), which I replaced with some Jensen P10Rs I had lying around. They're not necessarily my favorites (I prefer old CTS AlNiCos, but the set I have are in the Super), but they're a lot closer to what I like. Next, it seemed to me the amp was a little imbalanced when it came to preamp vs. power amp gain/overdrive. I swapped the stock 12AX7s in V1 and V2 with some old 12AT7s I had (a Westinghouse and I think an RCA), and boy, what a difference. Again, subjective, I know, but the amp seemed to open up quite a bit, and the "harshness" (which I would describe as highs and upper mids) mellowed nicely.

Now for the power tubes and factory recommended bias settings: In short, for some reason, Fender recommends running this amp really, really cold. At around 412 volts on the plates, Fender wants us to run the tubes around 30 milliamps, making for about 12 watts a tube (around 40% plate dissipation at idle). For reference, to run in class AB mode (which almost all Fenders do), most techs run a tube around 70% of its max, which, in the case of a 6L6, is about 21 watts. The amp came with what I believe to be Groove Tube labeled JJ 6L6s, which I actually run and like in my Super and Vibro King. However, per the recommendations from my amp guru, I decided to try out some of the Tung Sol 6L6-STRs. Most the reviews I read online were positive, and, almost universally, they were described as "mellowing out" harsh amps. I also read they liked to be run a little cooler than most other 6L6s (50%-60% instead of 70%), which seemed to be more in line with what Fender had in mind with the 68CVR. The choice of the Tung Sols worked out well, in my opinion.

I installed and biased the STRs to about 18 watts each (411 volts at 45 milliamps), burned them in for a couple of hours, and gigged last night. I noticed immediately a fuller, fatter, more rounded tone, while retaining great articulation. With the JJs, when the amp was pushed, it got pretty harsh and thin. Now, that might have been the fact that I didn't bump the bias up AS MUCH on the JJs, or it might have been the tubes themselves. If I get up the gumption, maybe I'll try the JJs again but with a higher bias setting.

I should note that the 68CVR, while stock, seemed to "like" single coil pickups better than humbuckers, but that's not AS much the case after I tweaked it. I've found that I like my strat plugged into the Vintage channel input 1 then jumped from input 2 to input 1 of the Custom channel. When I want more grit, I just dial up the Custom channel, which doesn't seem to affect the overall volume all that much (a little bit, to be sure, but everything just gets "bigger" sounding doing that). With my ES335, I'm not entirely sure which configuration I like better yet. Judging from my tinkering around today, I'm digging the "Custom" channel all by itself with the Lollar Imperials. It's definitely closer to a tweed sound than a blackface.


Nice review. :)

I decided to stay with my 68 CDR and return the 68 CVR.
The CVR does have more headroom before break up, which is nice.
But for my needs I can deal with the earlier break up of the CDR.
The CDR's power tube distortion sounds better than the CVR even running the same speakers. That's what I concluded with my ears for me anyway.

The thing that did it was not so much the cheapo speakers Fender installed, which can easily be changed, it was the more compressed tone of the CVR.
The CDR is a fuller more mid toned amp even when using the same speakers.
It doesn't have the brightness that the CVR is capable of but I found I kept tweaking the treble controls on the CVR too much especially when switching between single coils and HB's.
No so with the CDR. It liked either singles or HB's and needed just a little tweak on the amps eq and/or the guitar.

Then I bought a Gibson ES335 a few weeks ago.
I LOVE the tones from this guitar in the CDR, love it.
This is a satin cherry ES335 and it's pretty darn bright so it shines in the CDR whereas in the CVR it was a tweak fest to get a good balance.

Had I not had the CDR right next to the CVR to compare side by side I would have easily kept the CVR. But I had both right there, still do, and I keep going back to the CDR.
I got such an awesome deal on the CVR I'm hesitating returning it. :)
I may just end up keeping it and running in stereo for a while cause I can easily get my money back selling it used, that's how great my deal was.

Keep enjoying your new CVR. It's a really sweet Fender amp, and could become a classic.


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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:36 pm
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Rverb, it's been more than 48 hrs now, have you changed your mind again yet? :lol:

Keep both, use an A/B switch, and waffle no more. 8)

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Rverb, it's been more than 48 hrs now, have you changed your mind again yet? :lol:

Keep both, use an A/B switch, and waffle no more. 8)


:lol: I shall waffle no more, put away the syrup.

No, it's done deal this time.
I have past the 60 day return for the CDR, so it's mine ALL MINE!
I still have the CVR though. Got such a great deal on it that I'm seriously considering keeping it for a while. A/B or maybe run in dual mono, sweet tone when both are playing.
I have TC Electronics Flashback delay with stereo out so I ran both amps and together they sure do sound sweet. Nice brightness with some compression from the CVR with the rich creamy mids of the CDR. Quite nice. :)

I think I can easily sell it for what I paid even extremely lightly used. CVR will never leave the house and it's in perfect working order.


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I've had the Supersonic 22, which is pretty close to the Deluxe Reverb, and I'll take the Vibrolux any day!


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