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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:24 pm
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So I should be looking at something more like a Mesa boogie TA-15? I don't really want to move away from fender but this looks like it would be just the ticket.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:31 pm
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Shamansveto wrote:
Thanks for this info guys its really helpful, I'm leaning towards a HRD or a Blue's Deluxe Reissue. Which one of the two would be considered easier to overdrive at lower volumes, I've watched a few vids of people cranking the pre-amps and lowering the master on both these amps and it looks like what I'm after I just don't want a repeat of my first mistake and them be to loud all over again!


Essentially the same amps in terms of power and the kind of volume you can expect...yep, push the pre-amps and you'll get an ok overdrive, but you really want to hear some power tube compression too.

I'm in exactly the same situation, I own a HRDlx, and it's too loud. I'm actually looking to change it for a 68 Custom Deluxe Reverb and use an attenuator to tame the volume.


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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:37 pm
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I own that one too (head), and it would also be a fine choice. The TA-15 is very versatile, more so than the HRDlx, great cleans, great distortion at low or high volume, and the choice of five different voicings, and the ability to choose between two channels with the foot switch. One channel, choose between "Normal" and "Top Boost", which as the names imply, is either a clean or driven Vox type sound. The other channel, choose between "Tweed", "H1" (Marshall type sound), and "H2" (MB type sound). I use "Normal" on channel 1, and "H1" on Channel 2.

I disagree with Joe_Easy, the drive/more drive channel on the HRDlx allows it to get bluesy distortion or very distorted at very low volume, which is what you described that you wanted. Output tube distortion will not be the same with an attenuator as it is with a cranked amp, as the attenuator will alter the tone.

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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:48 pm
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Bingo, It'll be the HRDlx or the TA-15 Then! thanks so much fellas you've been very helpful!

cheers shimmilou - I have a feeling your addicted to gear ;)


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:54 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
I disagree with Joe_Easy, the drive/more drive channel on the HRDlx allows it to get bluesy distortion or very distorted at very low volume, which is what you described that you wanted. Output tube distortion will not be the same with an attenuator as it is with a cranked amp, as the attenuator will alter the tone.


Yep, the drive channel 'distorts' at low volume, but I personally find a good pedal sounds better at those volumes. Cranked, it sounds great. So it depends what you're actually looking for...

Attenuators don't actually suck tone, it's to do with how the human ear perceives certain frequencies at lower sound pressure levels - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour - you can get round this with EQ.

This chap opted for a Princeton for home use - http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central- ... layer.html


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:57 pm
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Yes, unashamedly addicted! :D

As always, you should try each amp for yourself...you might agree with Joe. :?:

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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:45 pm
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Well, another of my 2 cents worth....
-You won't get Power tube distortion with any 15+ watt amps until the volume exceeds 'annoying the wife'
-I own a Blues Dlx Reissue and it must be LOUD for distortion. Great amp BTW, but doesn't meet your objectives.
-You can get preamp distortion at levels that may be acceptable, but the sound is not quite the same.
-To my ears, a good OD pedal (of which there are MANY) sounds every bit as good as preamp distortion. Some sound better IMO.
The advice to try as many as you can before purchase is golden. I think a smaller amp with power scaling may best meet your needs. The TA-15 has such, down to 5 watts.
Of course, the choice is yours, but I'd keep the 68 Custom DR and get a quality pedal..JMO

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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:16 pm
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Shamansveto wrote:
Bingo, It'll be the HRDlx or the TA-15 Then! thanks so much fellas you've been very helpful!

cheers shimmilou - I have a feeling your addicted to gear ;)


I don't have any experience with the TA-15, so I can't speak about it's tone.
Shim has these amps so his opinion is best for comparison.

I can add that a 15 watt amp isn't going to be quieter than the 22 watt 68 CDR.
If you want tube over drive/distortion at bedroom/home levels, then you want to look for a 1 or 5 watt tube amp and check those out if you like their tone.

The HR dlx3 is a very good sounding amp, but mostly it's clean tone.
I don't like the distortion tones on that amp, they are a bit too raspy for my taste.
I prefer a smoother and warmer distortion and I couldn't get that out of the 2 HR's I had no matter which pre tube I tried.
Also the HR is a 40 watt amp and that means you'll have to crank it even louder before you get power tube breakup, which is going in the wrong direction for what you're looking for. And the power tube distortion from the HR is not as good as what the 68 cdr and
65 drri can give. Those two 22 watt amps have beautiful sounding power tube distortion.

What does work is a good analog type distortion pedal in any of the non master Fenders.
Most Fender amps love pedals.
With a great pedal you can get much better distortion tones than what he HR can deliver.
If you like a lower gain distortion the Fulltone OCD is a nice pedal.
If you want a more versatile pedal in tonal options and different gain levels the
Bogner Ecstasy Red or Blue pedals are fantastic. They are my favorites as they have lots of tone shaping and gain control. The Blue is the lighter distorion pedal and the Red offers the gain of the Blue and beyond.
I'm using my Red in my 68 CDR, and used it in the HR dlx3 I had, and the distortion and tone are way better than what the HR's distortion can give, way better.
Compared to cranking the 68 cdr or 65 drri, the Red pedal comes darn close.
It isn't identical or course, but it's so good that it doesn't matter. It sounds fantastic at higher volumes along with the power tubes break up, or at low volume.

The pedal has a volume control, and one setting I like is to crank the amp to around 6 then use the pedals volume to bring the overall volume down as you add pedal distortion.
It's a great tone and a bit different than setting the amp to around 2 along with the pedal.
A great distortion pedal with a clean Fender amp will not leave you wanting imo, and especially nice if you can't run your amp loud every time.

I have a high gain, master volume amp, an Egnater Vengeance that has a great distortion channel, all tube gain.
I've A/B'd the amp using my distortion pedals into the clean channel comparing that with the amps high gain/distortion channel. The Egnater's high gain is great, but I actually find I prefer the distortion and tone of my pedals into that amps clean channel.
That proved to me that great pedals can be as good and better than high gain master channel tube amps.

You can get one of these pedals from GC and use it for 30 days and try it out to hear if you like it, before you give up on your 68 CDR.
Happy tone hunting! :D


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:17 pm
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IM4Tone wrote:
Well, another of my 2 cents worth....
-You won't get Power tube distortion with any 15+ watt amps until the volume exceeds 'annoying the wife'
-I own a Blues Dlx Reissue and it must be LOUD for distortion. Great amp BTW, but doesn't meet your objectives.
-You can get preamp distortion at levels that may be acceptable, but the sound is not quite the same.
-To my ears, a good OD pedal (of which there are MANY) sounds every bit as good as preamp distortion. Some sound better IMO.
The advice to try as many as you can before purchase is golden. I think a smaller amp with power scaling may best meet your needs. The TA-15 has such, down to 5 watts.
Of course, the choice is yours, but I'd keep the 68 Custom DR and get a quality pedal..JMO


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:39 pm
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I got a couple of pennies too! I have the FSR a Deluxe reverb wine red. Great amp. But, can only crank it when my wife isn't home. (Anyone know a good divorce attorney LOL!!) anyway I have a BK Butler Real Tube (the black one) that gets a real good overdrive at reasonable volumes. Works great with my Strats & with my LP it nails that Billy Gibbons tone. Keep the 68 DR & search EBay for one of these pedals. None of the amps mentioned are going to get the Fender tone at lower volumes.

Just my opinion!


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:17 am
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Did anyone mention the '68 Custom Princeton Reverb? 12W output.


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:32 am
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The OP complains about the volume of a Deluxe Reverb, so people point him to higher wattage amps. Beautiful. :lol:

Tube amps are loud. It's one reason why we love them. There is no "quiet" way to achieve distortion. I own a 5-watt Marshall Class 5 as well as a Deluxe Reverb (among other amps), and I can tell you the Marshall is easily loud enough to be heard by my neighbors when the windows are open -- and they live 2.6 acres away.

It would be a shame to give up the power and beauty of the DRRI simply because you want to capture just one element of what a tube amp can offer.

Having said all that, a less efficient, alnico-magnet speaker, like the Jensen P12Q, will give you earlier break-up.

Or get a 40-watt Hot Rod. There's that. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: 68 Deluxe Reverb Reissue Overdrive
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:34 am
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InkStained wrote:
The OP complains about the volume of a Deluxe Reverb, so people point him to higher wattage amps. Beautiful. :lol:

Tube amps are loud. It's one reason why we love them. There is no "quiet" way to achieve distortion. I own a 5-watt Marshall Class 5 as well as a Deluxe Reverb (among other amps), and I can tell you the Marshall is easily loud enough to be heard by my neighbors when the windows are open -- and they live 2.6 acres away.

It would be a shame to give up the power and beauty of the DRRI simply because you want to capture just one element of what a tube amp can offer.

Having said all that, a less efficient, alnico-magnet speaker, like the Jensen P12Q, will give you earlier break-up.

Or get a 40-watt Hot Rod. There's that. :lol:


Actually, I think the OP arrived at the HRD of his own accord because the drive channel has a 'Master Volume'...true, but all that does is limit the voltage going into the power tubes; what he needs is a volume control post power section, like an attenuator. However, most people recommend against an attenuator because the perceived 'tone suck'...IMO, your tone will suck more if you limit the voltage to the power tubes and just rely on pre-amp distortion, as he intends to do with a HRD. Of course, it's a very subjective matter...

So, in my opinion and based on my own preference; either an attenuator, a very nice OD pedal, or a significantly lower power amp are his best options. I certainly would not be swapping a Deluxe Reverb for a Hot Rod expecting to be able to play a lower volumes...


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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:56 am
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Joe_Easy wrote:
InkStained wrote:
.....................It would be a shame to give up the power and beauty of the DRRI simply because you want to capture just one element of what a tube amp can offer...................So, in my opinion, based on my own taste; either an attenuator, a very nice OD pedal, or a significantly lower power amp are his best options.

Gotta agree! :)

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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:37 am
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InkStained wrote:
The OP complains about the volume of a Deluxe Reverb, so people point him to higher wattage amps. Beautiful. :lol: ...


Amps that can get distortion without having to crank them, i.e. distortion at low volume. In other words, "a quiet way to achieve distortion." :wink:

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