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Post subject: Re: 57 Tweed Twin Re issue- When was it discontinued and why
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:30 pm
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63supro wrote:
Maybe for you. I usually get rid of crap that's just good enough. My Hrdlx was proof of that. Got sucked into that because I trusted a company I dealt with for over forty years. Once bitten twice shy especially where additional income is concerned.

Mediocre gear only exists because people buy it. Usually because nobody wants to pay for quality stuff or save a bit longer. It's called setteling. I've done it myself with some of my photography gear.


The Beta Max guy was a little off. I had a Mitsubishi VHS player that not only ejected tapes smoothly, but had two heads and a separate motor for play, rewind, fast forward and the video head and transport. It had great image quality comparable to my Dad's Beta Max and even lasted way longer. The thing weighed a ton and was the first recorder to have wireless remote. I payed almost a grand for it and had to finance it. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: 57 Tweed Twin Re issue- When was it discontinued and why
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:10 am
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63supro wrote:
The Beta Max guy was a little off. I had a Mitsubishi VHS player that not only ejected tapes smoothly, but had two heads and a separate motor for play, rewind, fast forward and the video head and transport. It had great image quality comparable to my Dad's Beta Max and even lasted way longer.

It's generally accepted that Betamax (generation 1) had a technically superior image to VHS (generation 1).

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Betamax was widely perceived at the time as the better format, as the cassette was smaller in size, and Betamax offered slightly better video quality than VHS – it had lower video noise, less luma-chroma crosstalk, and was marketed as providing pictures superior to those of VHS. However, the sticking point for both consumers and potential licensing partners of Betamax was the total recording time.[12] To overcome the recording limitation, Beta II speed (two-hour mode, NTSC regions only) was released in order to compete with VHS's two-hour SP mode, thereby reducing Betamax's horizontal resolution to 240 lines (vs 250 lines).[34] In turn, the extension of VHS to VHS HQ produced 250 lines (vs 240 lines), so that overall a typical Betamax/VHS user could expect virtually identical resolution. (Very high-end Betamax machines still supported recording in the Beta I mode and some in an even higher resolution Beta Is (Beta I Super HiBand) mode, but at a maximum single-cassette run time of 1:40 [with an L-830 cassette].)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS

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Post subject: Re: 57 Tweed Twin Re issue- When was it discontinued and why
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:17 am
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Yeah, but things changed. There wasn't that much of a visual difference to the average person. Build quality back then was ridiculous. Everything was built to last. My VHS player lasted twenty years with no problems until the video head wore out. The real big deal that rivaled both formats in video quality was the Pioneer Laser Disk Player. The problem with that was you had to get up and turn the disk over and it could not record. The disks were pretty expensive too. The sound and quality were amazing at the time. RCA had a disk system but it was pretty bad. I think it used some sort of stylus. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: 57 Tweed Twin Re issue- When was it discontinued and why
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:04 pm
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I worked in broadcasting and I can tell you why Beta lost out to VHS, and it has absolutely zero to do with quality. Beta WAS the better format, however Sony got greedy. Back in the 80's there was a meeting between all the major electronics makers of the day. JVC had developed VHS and Sony had Beta. They were basically all getting together to decide which format was going to be the standard going forward. JVC was willing to license the technology for the VHS format to the other manufacturers. Sony refused to share the Betamax format and walked out of the meeting. The rest is history.

Note that Song did not make the same mistake twice when it came to HDDVD vs. Bluray.

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Post subject: Re: 57 Tweed Twin Re issue- When was it discontinued and why
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:30 pm
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Sony refused to share the Betamax format and walked out of the meeting. The rest is history.


The situation is much akin with Apple vs everybody else making and selling Windows-based PC's.

Apple likely is the better OS yet they command less than 10% market share.

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Post subject: Re: 57 Tweed Twin Re issue- When was it discontinued and why
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 5:28 am
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Yep. I use both Apple and PC. My Mac is used pretty much for my photography work. It's a seriously stable system that's faster and it's never gotten a virus. It's stable because it's components are standardized. My PC is the reason I bought a Mac. It had nothing but problems and even my new laptop gives me problems. I'm always running virus software in the background.

Sony still would have lost out because of its capacity. It's a shame because there were improvements in videotapes.

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