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Post subject: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:54 pm
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Who makes the recent OEM Fender amp power and output transformers? Are they wound in China?


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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:15 pm
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The tranny's in my '94 Deluxe Reverb are all marked as "606" with date codes of 334 to 346.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:40 pm
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Same in the '98 HRDlx, Schumacher.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:59 pm
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Ah, but there's the rub......

Do we know for fact that Schumacher's are still made in the USA?

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:47 pm
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No. :?:

We don't really know for a fact if they were ever made in the USA. Maybe they just told us that they were. :o

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:43 pm
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Don't be abb-zurd.

Back in the day a "137" EIA code ID'ed a pot made by CTS in the United States of America. Now they're made in Mexico. Same deal for a "220" and we all know that Jensen's ain't made here anymore.

I'm just asking.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:55 pm
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I know, and it sucks that we can't necessarily depend on the brand name anymore. Illinois caps for example, sure aren't made in the USA.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:57 pm
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I know, and it sucks that we can't necessarily depend on the brand name anymore. Illinois caps for example, sure aren't made in the USA.


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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:15 pm
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Why does it matter "where" they are made? Isn't "how" the important factor? :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:22 pm
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Would you rather have a Celestion V30 made in Xiangu Province, PRC or one made in Ipswich, UK?

(I'll take mine with tea and scones)

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:34 pm
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But that's because you associate the change in "how" they were made with the change in "where" made. One doesn't necessarily have to follow the other.

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:55 am
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Just curious, as on other boards ppl have been posting that early tube failures maybe due to the Chinese made PT's. Someone posted that most units bound for the USA are wound to 110VAC (not 117 or 120VAC) and 60Hz only (not 50/60Hz). It's a cost saving deal.

Easier to tap a primary wound for 220VAC to 110VAC and not 117VAC. And thinner wiring and smaller EI core are used in 60Hz models. It's a cost saving thing.

On these boards, mostly for hi-end hi-fi amps made in China, replacing the PT with a Hammond or Edcor iron helped solve the poor life expectancy of output tube. A problem in the higher B+ SET amps (ones that use $$$ 45, 300B, etc tubes).

Implying that poor PSU performance leads to early output tube failures, amongst other things. I have subbed aftermarket Hammonds into new units (one failure and the others upgrades) and noticed quite a difference in B+ and amp performance in some amps. Lower end amps --- like RI Champion 600 and lower end Peaveys.

As anyone found Hammonds or some such aftermarket PT helps solve ongoing issues in Blues Jr and simliar newly made Fender amps?

Just a thought.


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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:45 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
But that's because you associate the change in "how" they were made with the change in "where" made. One doesn't necessarily have to follow the other.


Let's take a look at your tag line here, Hoss......

The quintessential sound of 60/70's R&R:
Fender Tube Amps
Gibson Guitars


Any chicom-made parts in those "Fender Tube Amps" of the '60s and '70s?

NOPE!

Any sleazy offshore-made parts in those "Gibson Guitars" of the '60s and '70s?

NOPE!

You're either totally clueless or a hypocrite.

Why not change your log-in to "IM4Cheap"?

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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:56 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
But that's because you associate the change in "how" they were made with the change in "where" made. One doesn't necessarily have to follow the other.


You are right but most of the time made in USA or Canada or Germany means quality .

Made in China , it can be good or poor


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Post subject: Re: Modern Fender transfomers
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:28 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
Why does it matter "where" they are made? Isn't "how" the important factor? :shock:


Typically, made in USA means better quality than nearly anywhere else in the world, as has been the case as long as any of us can remember and long before that. For example, the Chinese in particular have quite a reputation for making cheap junk (Wal-Mart). Just check Egnater and their Chinese made transformers, cheap junk with a high failure rate.

There are some decent Chinese products, many of their tubes are fine, but for the most part, they make the cheapest crap on the planet. It seems that the best products from China are from American companies that have a factory there.

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