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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:05 am
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I have made my fair share of mistakes when buying amps. What I have learned over the many years is buying fad amps that are inexpensive is a waste of money. You buy them cause the look cool or different and have it for alittle while then decide they just don't sound that good and you move on.

Now I don't give these things a second look because I been there done that and don't waist my time and money anymore. What possible purpose would this amp serve me. I have. 64 princton amp for playing low volume and this amp won't should like that. Looks only goes so far with an amp.

Spent a couple hundred more and get a great sounding amp that don't look like a cartoon. But I guess you like what you like and company's make more selling junk that good amps.


So right now fender doesn't make anything you want?


They have made what I want which I do own. The tubes alone cost as much as that thing. And they have stood the test of time which that will not and I'm not embarrassed to take them out and play in front of other musicians with.


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:39 am
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tbazzone wrote:
They have made what I want which I do own. The tubes alone cost as much as that thing. And they have stood the test of time which that will not and I'm not embarrassed to take them out and play in front of other musicians with.

I doubt anyone cares what you play so long as it sounds good. They aren't bullying you, are they?

Sorry.

I get that reliability seems to be a key thing for you. I don't doubt that this isn't as reliable but, then I don't need it to be. It also isn't really anything other than a practice amp so it is unlikely to take a huge beating so it might not have to be all that sturdy.

Anyways, this is all academic as I haven't actually heard it myself. (Only youtube.) So far the only pawn shop amp I've liked is the little 2 watt thing. One trick pony that, but it is quite the trick.


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:56 am
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All I'm saying is take the 400 that that amp will cost you and get yourself a silver face champ or vibrio champ and you will be happy for along time. Or like supro said build your own.


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:11 pm
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tbazzone wrote:
All I'm saying is take the 400 that that amp will cost you and get yourself a silver face champ or vibrio champ and you will be happy for along time. Or like supro said build your own.


I do get it. My point is that the amp looks fun and if it sounds good then I'll consider it. Longevity doesn't matter much to me. With my nervous system it probably doesn't have to last very long to outlast me.

The building your own thing could be fun. If I knew I wouldn't screw it up I'd go for it. And I'd put it in a cabinet that looks just like the vaporizer. :D


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:23 pm
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Longevity doesn't matter much to me.


Nothing like encouraging and enabling the purveyors of crap.

So long as the cash flow is maintained, there will be a continuous stream of it.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:46 pm
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Longevity doesn't matter much to me.


Nothing like encouraging and enabling the purveyors of crap.

So long as the cash flow is maintained, there will be a continuous stream of it.

:roll:

Arjay

So long as they keep the price down I don't care.

We're talking practice amps here. If we're talking amps to be lugged around then longevity matters quite a lot. What one is willing to spend on such an amp goes way up, too.

Either way the amp has to sound good, tho.


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:00 pm
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There's a lot more to "amp longevity" than merely a sturdy cabinet.

That's the point we're stressing.

"Back in the day" the Champ Amp was designed and intended for practice. They're still around after four or five decades -- why?

OTOH I predict a very short life for the Vaporizer and others of its ilk......they'll be landfill fodder in less than five years.

But I digress.

Enjoy your "toy".

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:34 pm
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So ignoring its shoddiness has anyone heard one of these in person?


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:16 pm
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Here's the deal, as I see it-
Not everybody is going to like every amp--for a variety of reasons.

There are amps people out there go nuts for, but they do nothing for me.
There are amps that do nothing for most people, but I love.
The same is true for guitars and pedals.
Sometimes my tastes & preferences match the majority, sometimes not.

But that's a good thing.

I'm glad we have different gear preferences, it keeps things ore interesting.

I get stuff I like, that makes sense for me and what I'm playing, and I pay no attention to corksniffers or brand snobs.

I haven't tried the Vaporizer myself yet--so I will not write it off.
It might be the worst amp ever, I don't know.

But I am interested in trying one out.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:30 pm
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Actually I have stuff to add-
One reason we like different stuff is our playing context.
My last amp purchase was a G-Dec Jr--not the most popular amp, but it does what I wanted out of an amp.
My main amp for many years has been a Roland JC-60--and I love it.

But due to the space I have at home and some other issues, I needed a smaller amp.
As I play for a hobby, and also based on my finances, I wanted a less expensive amp.
The G-Dec Jr meets those criteria and I like the way(s) it sounds.
I can switch between different sounds as the mood strikes me, and I do like the backing tracks.

Now if you gigged all the time, or even most of the time, and needed a new amp for gigging, you most likely would pick something different.

But does that make the G-Dec Jr a bad amp?

No. It might not be the best amp, but for me it was the best fit for what I wanted it for and for the price.

The same thing is possible with the Vaporizer.
I have a big tube amp (A Garnet stencil), but the size and weight make it difficult in some ways.
So I would also like a smaller tube amp--this might just be the thing.

If it is--great, if not--well I'll keep looking.

I've seen some small tube amps I love, but the price is not within what makes sense for me to spend. So I look for used ones, and other small ones I can afford.

As I already have amps this isn't a necessity--so I can be patient.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:57 pm
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63supro wrote:
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[quote=...name it and I understand it's to attract more customers, but building mediocre sounding amps that will be in a landfill in a few years only makes ticked off customers. Look at it this way, that amp is four bills out the door. How much of that is sheer profit? Two cheap speakers, a real simple circuit, a cheesy stamped chassis, some of the cheapest components on the market and probably built in China or Mexico to boot.

What would've been cool would be to take a 65 Champ amp, hand wire it on turret board and put it in a funky cab with two ten's. Keep it around $500-600 and I'd be all over it. Build it in Mexico or Mars I don't care. VHT builds hand wired stuff in Korea. It's inexpensive and sounds great. I run my 74 Champ through two 1x12 closed back Egnater cabs and it's as mean as it gets. Loud enough for small gigs too. I use a Weber Z-Matcher for impedance matching. Throw a little clean boost on that bad boy and it's all over.


Great idea: and add one thing to it that the Vaporizer is missing: The Fender logo.



Because it doesn't deserve it. :wink:[/quote]

Okay. You probably have a point there.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:58 pm
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I see the old fart patrol is out in force. :lol: Like hey, why waste your time playing anything but a vintage point-to-point Fender amp with transformers forged in the fires of Mount Doom?

I like Fender. I like all three of the guitars I've bought from them. I like my two Fender amps. Fender doesn't put out crap. I tried the Excelsior in the store and didn't care for it. It was ok but not the tone I like. That doesn't mean the Vaporizer is going to be awful. I consider it fun to go to the guitar store and play with all their gear. Cheap entertainment, and it doesn't bother me to drive all the way over there and play around on my lunch hour and not buy something. If I fall in love with the Vaporizer I don't think I would have any philosophical objection to bringing it home. I try to buy American but this year buying an American Deluxe Strat I feel it's enough. I like the styling and 2x10" and the deep reverb. I definitely want to give it a chance. I want Fender to be a living company and not some collectable defunct thing that only old geezers think is relevant. If that means they try different countries of manufacture, price points, and styling for their products all power to them.


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:57 pm
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Wayne2 wrote:
I see the old fart patrol is out in force.


Yes......we're like the Energizer Bunny. That is to say, like the real Fender amps that Leo designed and built.

Not the soon-to-be-toxic-waste-going-into-the-local-landfill that chumps waste their money on.

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Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:36 pm
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I don't mind new amps. In fact, I prefer new amps over old ones. But only if high quality; built to last, and to be serviced.
Consumerist amps are destined for the landfill. You can't repair them with generic parts, and the manufacturer will only carry replacements for a few years.

Also, I don't like form over function. Every dollar spent on the looks is a dollar not spent on the sound quality. There's nothing magic about Tolex that makes the amps better, but it's cheap, relatively sturdy, and repairable. That means more money can go towards better inside design.


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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 6:38 am
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