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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:53 am
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No wife would ever let you bring that ugly space heater home, and no band would ever let you put it on stage. So who is it for? Fake retro afficionados?


+1000!!!!

It seems as though FMIC is running away from its roots and its heritage just as fast as they can.

So long, Fender......it was nice knowin' ya.

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I don't understand why Fender, Epiphone, and others feel the need to create these hokey videos to hype their products. A good amp/guitar will sell on its own merits. Some phoney "scientist" in a white lab coat is stupid.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:56 am
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I always try them out, and they always sound like their price tag. What sometihing looks like never influences my buying decisions. Every Pawn Shop/retro amp I've tried either had issues on the floor or just sounded meh and not even worth the low buck price. Use better materials and components and charge for them. Stop building amp that "look cool" and make them sound great and more importantly reliable.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:07 am
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Stop building amp that "look cool" and make them sound great and more importantly reliable.


They're putting too much R&D money into crap like this......

http://www.fender.com/store/barware/

http://www.fender.com/store/all-collectibles/

http://www.fender.com/store/fender-by-king-baby/

:roll:

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:17 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
They're putting too much R&D money into crap like this......

...

http://www.fender.com/store/fender-by-king-baby/

:roll:

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I bet this will get you barred from getting on an airplane! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.fender.com/store/jewelry/fen ... ace-alloy/

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 12:09 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
They're putting too much R&D money into crap like this......

...

http://www.fender.com/store/fender-by-king-baby/

:roll:

Arjay


I bet this will get you barred from getting on an airplane! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.fender.com/store/jewelry/fen ... ace-alloy/


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't mind all the promo stuff, they all do it, Martin, Gibson, Epiphone, Ibanez you name it and I understand it's to attract more customers, but building mediocre sounding amps that will be in a landfill in a few years only makes ticked off customers. Look at it this way, that amp is four bills out the door. How much of that is sheer profit? Two cheap speakers, a real simple circuit, a cheesy stamped chassis, some of the cheapest components on the market and probably built in China or Mexico to boot.

What would've been cool would be to take a 65 Champ amp, hand wire it on turret board and put it in a funky cab with two ten's. Keep it around $500-600 and I'd be all over it. Build it in Mexico or Mars I don't care. VHT builds hand wired stuff in Korea. It's inexpensive and sounds great. I run my 74 Champ through two 1x12 closed back Egnater cabs and it's as mean as it gets. Loud enough for small gigs too. I use a Weber Z-Matcher for impedance matching. Throw a little clean boost on that bad boy and it's all over.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:06 pm
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[quote=...name it and I understand it's to attract more customers, but building mediocre sounding amps that will be in a landfill in a few years only makes ticked off customers. Look at it this way, that amp is four bills out the door. How much of that is sheer profit? Two cheap speakers, a real simple circuit, a cheesy stamped chassis, some of the cheapest components on the market and probably built in China or Mexico to boot.

What would've been cool would be to take a 65 Champ amp, hand wire it on turret board and put it in a funky cab with two ten's. Keep it around $500-600 and I'd be all over it. Build it in Mexico or Mars I don't care. VHT builds hand wired stuff in Korea. It's inexpensive and sounds great. I run my 74 Champ through two 1x12 closed back Egnater cabs and it's as mean as it gets. Loud enough for small gigs too. I use a Weber Z-Matcher for impedance matching. Throw a little clean boost on that bad boy and it's all over.[/quote]

Great idea: and add one thing to it that the Vaporizer is missing: The Fender logo.

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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:44 pm
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Archtop Bill wrote:
Great idea: and add one thing to it that the Vaporizer is missing: The Fender logo.


You do understand that your suggestion would double the MSRP, right?

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:53 pm
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Well, some harsh words for this amp--and you haven't even tired it yet.
If you don't want to, that's fine, but I am interested and I will be trying one out as soon as I see one.

I've tired the other Pawn Shop amps, and I liked some things about them, but this is the one I think will be the best so far.
This may be just what I am looking for in another amp.
I hope Fender keeps making this stuff.

i love the look, and I think I'll like the sound.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:13 am
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Archtop Bill wrote:
[quote=...name it and I understand it's to attract more customers, but building mediocre sounding amps that will be in a landfill in a few years only makes ticked off customers. Look at it this way, that amp is four bills out the door. How much of that is sheer profit? Two cheap speakers, a real simple circuit, a cheesy stamped chassis, some of the cheapest components on the market and probably built in China or Mexico to boot.

What would've been cool would be to take a 65 Champ amp, hand wire it on turret board and put it in a funky cab with two ten's. Keep it around $500-600 and I'd be all over it. Build it in Mexico or Mars I don't care. VHT builds hand wired stuff in Korea. It's inexpensive and sounds great. I run my 74 Champ through two 1x12 closed back Egnater cabs and it's as mean as it gets. Loud enough for small gigs too. I use a Weber Z-Matcher for impedance matching. Throw a little clean boost on that bad boy and it's all over.


Great idea: and add one thing to it that the Vaporizer is missing: The Fender logo.[/quote]


Because it doesn't deserve it. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:25 am
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Well, some harsh words for this amp--and you haven't even tired it yet.
If you don't want to, that's fine, but I am interested and I will be trying one out as soon as I see one.

I've tired the other Pawn Shop amps, and I liked some things about them, but this is the one I think will be the best so far.
This may be just what I am looking for in another amp.
I hope Fender keeps making this stuff.

i love the look, and I think I'll like the sound.


I have tried all the Pawn Shop Series amps so far and found nothing great or even good about them. I'll try the Vaporizer too because you never know. The thing you have to understand with a lot of us more "seasoned" players is we grew up during Fender's heyday of great sounding reliable gear. The amps were better, the tubes were better and for a lot of the old amps, the speakers were better. I don't mind paying a premium for a nice amp. Now I build my own. I have a 5 watt $200 true PTP tube amp kit that blows most of this stuff away. It only took a couple of hours to build it and is one of my favorite amps.

I don't mind new stuff as long as it's a quality piece of gear. Fender now places the cool look factor before tone and reliability. It saddens me. I was loyal to Fender amps for over 40 years.

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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:26 am
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Maybe they are aiming for this market...

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Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:19 am
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I have made my fair share of mistakes when buying amps. What I have learned over the many years is buying fad amps that are inexpensive is a waste of money. You buy them cause the look cool or different and have it for alittle while then decide they just don't sound that good and you move on.

Now I don't give these things a second look because I been there done that and don't waist my time and money anymore. What possible purpose would this amp serve me. I have. 64 princton amp for playing low volume and this amp won't should like that. Looks only goes so far with an amp.

Spent a couple hundred more and get a great sounding amp that don't look like a cartoon. But I guess you like what you like and company's make more selling junk that good amps.


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:36 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
63supro wrote:
Stop building amp that "look cool" and make them sound great and more importantly reliable.


They're putting too much R&D money into crap like this......

http://www.fender.com/store/barware/

http://www.fender.com/store/all-collectibles/

http://www.fender.com/store/fender-by-king-baby/

:roll:

Arjay

That would be from their marketing budget and not R&D. You just draw a picture of what you want and email it to a manufacturer in taiwan. A few iterations through fed ex and then you stuff it on a web site. It is a side revenue stream that everyone from VW to Fender does. They'd be making that stuff anyway to give away as swag at shows and whatnot.


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:37 am
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tbazzone wrote:
I have made my fair share of mistakes when buying amps. What I have learned over the many years is buying fad amps that are inexpensive is a waste of money. You buy them cause the look cool or different and have it for alittle while then decide they just don't sound that good and you move on.

Now I don't give these things a second look because I been there done that and don't waist my time and money anymore. What possible purpose would this amp serve me. I have. 64 princton amp for playing low volume and this amp won't should like that. Looks only goes so far with an amp.

Spent a couple hundred more and get a great sounding amp that don't look like a cartoon. But I guess you like what you like and company's make more selling junk that good amps.


So right now fender doesn't make anything you want?


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Post subject: Re: Vaporizer?
Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:40 am
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budglo wrote:
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I wish they would build a new amp that wasn't a silly looking toy. Listened to the YouTube of the amp and wasn't impressed but you get what you pay for. But I do like the 2x10s.
I know. The thing looks hideous. Doubt if I ever would plug one in.


+1,000,...I don't like the looks of it,either. I would be MUCH happier if Fender would spend that money updating amps like the Blues Deluxe Re-issue amps with a better speaker like Jensen's C12K,or Celestion speaker like the one in the HRD III amps. Fender,...listen up,...stop wasting money with these stupid pawn shop special amps and use that money to upgrade amps like the Blues Deluxe RI amp with the speakers I mentioned. The BDRI is LONG overdue for a speaker upgrade.

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