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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:25 am
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Play that Greenback *vigorously* for forty or fifty hours and it should sweeten right up.

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Yeah, I'm going to pummel it with some bass frequencies and volume over the course of this week, speed up the process a bit. Then I can make a fair evaluation. It definitely doesn't "de-fender" the amp like alot of people seem to think.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:08 am
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ruger9 wrote:
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Play that Greenback *vigorously* for forty or fifty hours and it should sweeten right up.

Arjay


Yeah, I'm going to pummel it with some bass frequencies and volume over the course of this week, speed up the process a bit. Then I can make a fair evaluation. It definitely doesn't "de-fender" the amp like alot of people seem to think.


That's one of the biggest misconceptions in my experience. The whole "British/American" flavor thing regarding speakers. Fact is amp manufacturers seem to use what's readily available to them and let the amp design determine the "flavor." My Egnater uses Celestion Lead 80's but runs both EL84 and 6V6 power tubes. The power tube selection seems to have more effect on my tone. I can coax both American and British tones out of it. If you plug a Marshall into say Jenson's or JBL's, it will still sound like a Marshall. Maybe a little tighter or looser in some frequencies, but still a Marshall. I'm sure some people will tell me I'm full ofshit. :lol:

The way I see it, a speaker either sounds great or sounds like arse.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:48 pm
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If you plug a Marshall into say Jenson's or JBL's, it will still sound like a Marshall. Maybe a little tighter or looser in some frequencies, but still a Marshall. I'm sure some people will tell me I'm full ofshit. :lol:

The way I see it, a speaker either sounds great or sounds like arse.


+1

Duane Allman's stage rig always sounded like a Marshall despite his cabs being stuffed with JBL's. The D120F's merely provided a skosh more "sparkle" at the high end.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:32 am
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It definitely handles lows much better than the stock Jensen. It's not as mid scooped as the Jensen, but it's not all mids either. If I were currently gigging this amp, I would have to choose the GB because of it's ability to handle the low end better and it's ability to sound MUCH better when pushing the amp into overdrive. I suspect it will only get better...

INTERESTINGLY.... even with the GB's "soft highs" profile, I still have the treble at ZERO. I'm really starting to think I more a "brownface" fan than "blackface" fan.... lol


I also just bought a 10" Greenback and I couldn't be happier. It has more low end than I expected, a nice high end shine to it, and it sounds terrific with heavy distortion.

One thing I found is that with the Greenback in I actually PREFER the sound with the Bright switch on. I play a '67 Bassman with the channels jumpered. I always preferred the darker sound with the Bright switch off. But with the Greenback in, I really like the extra edge and definition I get with the Bright switch. I found the Greenback set the highs right where I want them so I don't cut the Treble as much as I used to.

I swapped out a 10f-150t in favor of the Greenback. The Weber had GREAT low end, but sounded really off with loud distortion. Plus the Greenback also weighs less, and it's a little quieter, so I have an easier time sitting right in the mix. Losing some bass is a worthwhile trade off.

I have the Greenback paired with a 10" Weber Legacy, another speaker I would HIGHLY recommend. It's a perfect pair for a modern rock sound.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:40 pm
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I just put a 10F150 50W in mine. Holy hell. I haven't tried a ton of speakers, but what I wanted was the P10R but... MORE. Especially the ability to handle bass. The 10F150 is IT. And it's not even fully broken in yet, the high end will get sweeter with a little playing time, and it'll be even better.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:46 pm
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demaria.daniel wrote:
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It definitely handles lows much better than the stock Jensen. It's not as mid scooped as the Jensen, but it's not all mids either. If I were currently gigging this amp, I would have to choose the GB because of it's ability to handle the low end better and it's ability to sound MUCH better when pushing the amp into overdrive. I suspect it will only get better...

INTERESTINGLY.... even with the GB's "soft highs" profile, I still have the treble at ZERO. I'm really starting to think I more a "brownface" fan than "blackface" fan.... lol


I also just bought a 10" Greenback and I couldn't be happier. It has more low end than I expected, a nice high end shine to it, and it sounds terrific with heavy distortion.

One thing I found is that with the Greenback in I actually PREFER the sound with the Bright switch on. I play a '67 Bassman with the channels jumpered. I always preferred the darker sound with the Bright switch off. But with the Greenback in, I really like the extra edge and definition I get with the Bright switch. I found the Greenback set the highs right where I want them so I don't cut the Treble as much as I used to.

I swapped out a 10f-150t in favor of the Greenback. The Weber had GREAT low end, but sounded really off with loud distortion. Plus the Greenback also weighs less, and it's a little quieter, so I have an easier time sitting right in the mix. Losing some bass is a worthwhile trade off.

I have the Greenback paired with a 10" Weber Legacy, another speaker I would HIGHLY recommend. It's a perfect pair for a modern rock sound.


Pairing speakers with different voicings creates unique sounds that I think work great. Another path for the tone hound to blaze for both sound and individuality.

I recently paired my 12" C Rex with my 10" red fang alnico speaker and the tone was what I was looking for from my HRDIII. The perfect use for that extension speaker output on the amp. :D

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:36 am
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I was thinking of getting a pair G10 Greenbacks with some Webers.

2 questions.

1. Why didn't you pair the same wattages with your greenbacks valued at (30watts)
and your 10F150 Valued at 50 Watts? I know they make them in 30 watts as well.

2.. Why did you go full ceramics speakers and not the webers 10AT125 alinco instead?


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:43 am
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ruger9 wrote:
I just put a 10F150 50W in mine. Holy hell. I haven't tried a ton of speakers, but what I wanted was the P10R but... MORE. Especially the ability to handle bass. The 10F150 is IT. And it's not even fully broken in yet, the high end will get sweeter with a little playing time, and it'll be even better.


Since this post is now almost 3 months old, I figure your 10F150 should be well broken in by now. I got the impression from what you typed above that you like it much more than the Greenback. Is that still the case? Are you still satisfied with the Weber? Do you feel the 10F150 is bright enough (thinking about your comments of having to turn the turn the treble way down on the stock speaker)? Any regrets not getting the 10F150T?


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:24 am
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Actually, the amp is gone. Decided blackface just isn't my thing. The 10F150 is an extension of the stock C10R, if you will.... bigger, louder, smoother breakup, tighter bass. For HOME volumes, the C10R or GB are better choices, imo, but for louder volumes/gigging, the 10F150 is an excellent choice. It keeps the Princeton sounding like a Princeton, just MORE.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:34 am
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ruger9 wrote:
Actually, the amp is gone. Decided blackface just isn't my thing. The 10F150 is an extension of the stock C10R, if you will.... bigger, louder, smoother breakup, tighter bass. For HOME volumes, the C10R or GB are better choices, imo, but for louder volumes/gigging, the 10F150 is an excellent choice. It keeps the Princeton sounding like a Princeton, just MORE.


Understood. That's why I still have my Marshall Class 5. Sometimes you just need a different sound. :) Did you find the 10F150 to have enough treble/brightness? I'm still on the fence between that speaker and the 10F150T and want to make sure the 10F150 isn't too dark. Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:41 pm
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I have a couple of Webers. Not a 10F150 but I do have a Weber 12A125A in my 5e3 clone it's a 30 watt Alnico light dope and after a decent break in it sounds incredible. Nice tight bottom end, and a high end that just sparkles. I cuts a mix like a knife. I'm really happy with it. It
also put a Weber Signature 8 Ceramic in my 74 Champ and I'm equally happy with it. It was a huge improvement over the stock speaker.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:09 pm
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Actually, the amp is gone. Decided blackface just isn't my thing. The 10F150 is an extension of the stock C10R, if you will.... bigger, louder, smoother breakup, tighter bass. For HOME volumes, the C10R or GB are better choices, imo, but for louder volumes/gigging, the 10F150 is an excellent choice. It keeps the Princeton sounding like a Princeton, just MORE.


Understood. That's why I still have my Marshall Class 5. Sometimes you just need a different sound. :) Did you find the 10F150 to have enough treble/brightness? I'm still on the fence between that speaker and the 10F150T and want to make sure the 10F150 isn't too dark. Thanks!


Personally, I don't think you need the "T" version AT ALL, at least if you're playing a tele or a strat, despite it's online forum popularity. That speaker (the non-T version) and that amp have more than enough treble.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:45 pm
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I've got a pair of 10F150's in my Bassman LTD and one in my CVR (the other speakers being 10A125's). They're GREAT speakers - you can never go wrong with Weber.

BTW, if you ask Weber to break in your speaker before shipping it out to you they will do that for no extra charge. I did it on my last order (a 12A125A) and it sounds soooooo good out of the box!

Also, for me a factor is production. Weber: Hand made to order in USA. Celestion: made in a factory in China. I know some will argue it doesn't matter, but it's more of a principle for me. Wonder how long we keep calling them "British voiced" and not "Chinese voiced"? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:53 pm
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Wonder how long we keep calling them "British voiced" and not "Chinese voiced"? :lol:


:shock:

Only a paltry few Celestions are still made in the UK.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:59 pm
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One little tidbit. Arjay pointed this out, as I'm currently having a Bassman cab built and want to load one Celestion Vintage 30 and one Weber 12A125 or vintage Jensen P12N. The Celestion have four mounting holes and the Weber and Jensen have 8.

Good to know before putting the mounting screws into the baffle board, then covering the board with a grille.

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