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Post subject: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:00 pm
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I know there's been alot of PRRI speaker talk here, and I've read a bunch of it, but...

While the stock speaker (PRRI, Jensen C10R) has broken in very nicely, and sounds quite good at lower volumes for clean and semi-clean sounds, it still sounds like poop when cranked up.

SO- I'm going to be ordering a new speaker(s) very soon, and have narrowed it down to these two:

Weber 10F150 (no "T")- a copy of the Jensen C10N, keeping the amp more "authentic"

Celestion G10 Vintage - many reports of people loving this one, and say it keeps "most of the Fender goodness" while "adding a little throaty/british midrange"

Both sound good to me, and they also happen to be 2 faves of Jim Campilongo, one of my faves. Can anyone compare these two from personal experience?

I'd really like to be able to:
1) turn up the treble (it's off)
2) turn up the bass (it's on 2)
...I feel like I'm "holding the amp back"...
3) actually USE the gain from the amp itself (the stock speaker gets too ratty on the high end)

Ideally, I'd order BOTH simultaneously and A/B them, but then I'd also have to break both of them in,.... was hoping for any opinions here to maybe help me lean one way or the other?


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:10 pm
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I have heard both speakers installed in PRRI's but I don't actually own either of them (my vintage 1965 Princeton Reverb has an alnico CTS speaker from a '67 Super Reverb). The Weber does indeed sound quite similar to a C10N once it's broken in -- a little brigher/shinier than the Celestion alnico Gold (also after a suitable break-in period). But the Celestion sounds so damn nice as it compresses when driven hard, it's tough to make a choice. I don't you'll be disappointed with either selection.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:22 pm
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For new production speakers also take a look at the WGS speakers

http://wgs4.com/content/g10c

This is a very nice speaker, efficient, and not expensive at all. I've tried it in my PR... that big magnet will take care of your bass problem and will still sound great dimed.

The Jensen C10NS (C10P) that came in the PR in '66 is still my favorite and that's what I'm keeping in mine. But they're not easy to find... this is not a C10N. The N has a bigger magnet but same voice coil.

I've tried to like Celestion speakers, but they just never work for me... :?


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:08 pm
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I'm a huge Weber fan. I have a Sig in my champ and an Alnico 12a125a in my 5e3 clone. I run Celestion with my Egnater and I like them both. Like Arjay said either way you won't be disappointed.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:05 pm
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Well, I've done it. I've ordered a Weber 10F150 (C10N) and a Celestion Greenback. I went with the Greenback over the Vintage for 2 reasons:

1) if I'm going to go Cele, go all the way

2) the descriptions from Cele, the Greenback sounds like more my style


I do like the blackface sound, however I think I like the "brownface" sound more. So the Cele could make sense to me. And while I don't want to lose the BF sound, the amp MUST have a decent overdrive sound when turned up. Just not sure I want to keep an amp I use for "clean only."

The Greenback will be here friday, and I'll get her in. The Weber is still at least 2 weeks out. So my ear will have adjusted to the GB by the time the Weber arrives.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:00 pm
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Be prepared to waltz with the speaker mounting screws when installing the Greenback. Celestions require only four fasteners and have only the required four holes in the mounting flange.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:48 pm
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Out of curiosity, why did you go with the Weber 10F150 over the 10F150T? I'm thinking of upgrading the speaker in my PRRI as well. I've been looking at the Celestion G10 Vintage (because Jim Campilongo thinks so highly of them), Celestion G10 Gold (because I've read quite a few rave reviews of them), and the Weber 10F150T (because that's the Weber that most seem to get for their PRRI). But now you've got me thinking about the 10F150. I'm just wondering what the difference is between it and the 10F150T. It's not clear to me from the Weber website. Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:19 am
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BlueCajun wrote:
Out of curiosity, why did you go with the Weber 10F150 over the 10F150T? I'm thinking of upgrading the speaker in my PRRI as well. I've been looking at the Celestion G10 Vintage (because Jim Campilongo thinks so highly of them), Celestion G10 Gold (because I've read quite a few rave reviews of them), and the Weber 10F150T (because that's the Weber that most seem to get for their PRRI). But now you've got me thinking about the 10F150. I'm just wondering what the difference is between it and the 10F150T. It's not clear to me from the Weber website. Thanks!


I don't know the tech specifics, but the T version has more treble.

Well, I play a tele and a Gretsch- both bright guitars, you could say. The BF style amps are bright. On my PRRI, even with the stock C10R well broken in (I've had it for 6 months), I still keep the treble on 0-3. I feel like I'm "choking" the amp, and would like to open it up more. So I did not want a speaker that would accentuate any more high end, as the amp is bright enough already... I suspect I'm more of a "brownface" guy, the most amazing amp I've ever played was a Swart AST, so that should tell you something about my amp/tone tastes.

Even tho many people get the T version, and it seems to be THE recommended replacement for the PRRI, I feel most players have tones that are too bright for my tastes. That's another reason I stayed away from the T. Also, the non-T seems to be the direct replacement for the old Jensen C10N, which is what I was after...primarily because that is Jim Campilongo's favorite PR speaker... a re-coned vintage C10N.

BUT- because of my love of "browner" tones, I broke down and got the Greenback as well... I figured the GB would be "more different" from the Weber than the G10 Vintage would be... maybe too much, idk...we'll see... it'll be an interesting experiment. I do love the PRRI's tone, I don't want to change the amp into something it's not, just trying to stiffen the bass and soften the treble a bit so I can use "more of" the amp... with the bass at 0 and the treble at 0-3, I feel like I'm holding the amp back.

On a related note, I am planning on trying out a mid control as well... especially if I stay with the Weber speaker, which is more mid scooped than the Greenback....


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:18 am
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Greenback is here, I'll get it in ASAP and report back. The weber still won't be here for at least a couple of weeks... the last weber I ordered recently took a month to arrive.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:01 pm
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ruger9 wrote:
Greenback is here, I'll get it in ASAP and report back. The weber still won't be here for at least a couple of weeks... the last weber I ordered recently took a month to arrive.



That's pretty much because they build to order. Mine took a couple of weeks. The Signature for my Champ was in stock at MF and only took a couple days.

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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:09 pm
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ruger9 wrote:
I don't know the tech specifics, but the T version has more treble.

Well, I play a tele and a Gretsch- both bright guitars, you could say. The BF style amps are bright. On my PRRI, even with the stock C10R well broken in (I've had it for 6 months), I still keep the treble on 0-3. I feel like I'm "choking" the amp, and would like to open it up more. So I did not want a speaker that would accentuate any more high end, as the amp is bright enough already... I suspect I'm more of a "brownface" guy, the most amazing amp I've ever played was a Swart AST, so that should tell you something about my amp/tone tastes.

Even tho many people get the T version, and it seems to be THE recommended replacement for the PRRI, I feel most players have tones that are too bright for my tastes. That's another reason I stayed away from the T. Also, the non-T seems to be the direct replacement for the old Jensen C10N, which is what I was after...primarily because that is Jim Campilongo's favorite PR speaker... a re-coned vintage C10N.

BUT- because of my love of "browner" tones, I broke down and got the Greenback as well... I figured the GB would be "more different" from the Weber than the G10 Vintage would be... maybe too much, idk...we'll see... it'll be an interesting experiment. I do love the PRRI's tone, I don't want to change the amp into something it's not, just trying to stiffen the bass and soften the treble a bit so I can use "more of" the amp... with the bass at 0 and the treble at 0-3, I feel like I'm holding the amp back.

On a related note, I am planning on trying out a mid control as well... especially if I stay with the Weber speaker, which is more mid scooped than the Greenback....


Thanks for the info. I didn't realize the "T" was for treble. Makes sense though. I'm looking forward to your reviews, especially of the Weber. When you ordered, did you request Weber to break it in for you? Or are you planning to do it yourself?


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:54 am
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I always have the Webers broken in, and I always request NO dope. Because that's the way the Jensens came back in the day, AND it helps the speaker to break in alot faster.

I do break the speaker in even more after receiving it... mostly through playing, but I also use a method that Ted Weber used to use himself, and described on his website, many years ago. It's only for doped speakers, tho.

For the undoped ones I order, I just turn up the bass and hook up my ipod to the amp, play something bass-heavy (like my wife's Justin Timberlake album) through it a couple of times. The whole point is to get the cone visibly moving with the bass hits... it works and loosens the paper surround.

With doped speakers, the procedure is the same, except you get an artists brush and some acetone, and brush the surround with acetone every 15 min... the acetone helps break the dope down a little, and the cone movement loosens the surround. Depending on the speaker, I'll play the album once or twice, brushing acetone on the surround every 15 minutes. Works wonders. I had a V30 that was a totally different (and better) speaker when I did this. That was in the original 60W Supersonic.

I might get time to put the Greenback in today, I'm gonna' try to fit it in (time-wise).


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:21 pm
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Well, take these 1st impressions with a grain of salt, I literally put the greenback in and played for 15 minutes. The speaker isn't broken in AT ALL...

It definitely handles lows much better than the stock Jensen. It's not as mid scooped as the Jensen, but it's not all mids either. If I were currently gigging this amp, I would have to choose the GB because of it's ability to handle the low end better and it's ability to sound MUCH better when pushing the amp into overdrive. I suspect it will only get better...

But I must say, for low volume home practice (or even a solo jazz gig), the stock Jensen is a wonderful sounding, sweet speaker, as long as you keep the bass low enough to keep it from farting and play CLEAN. The C10R does sound absolutely beautiful with those restrictions placed upon it- better than the GB under the same restrictions. The GB will be a better all-around speaker.

Now, to break the GB in while I wait for the Weber to arrive...

INTERESTINGLY.... even with the GB's "soft highs" profile, I still have the treble at ZERO. I'm really starting to think I more a "brownface" fan than "blackface" fan.... lol


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:45 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Be prepared to waltz with the speaker mounting screws when installing the Greenback. Celestions require only four fasteners and have only the required four holes in the mounting flange.

Arjay


This actually wasn't an issue at all- the stock Jensen was only mounted with 4 screws. The Celestion's holes lined right up.


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Post subject: Re: PRRI speaker: Weber 10F150 vs Celestion G10 Vintage ???
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:55 pm
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ruger9 wrote:
This actually wasn't an issue at all- the stock Jensen was only mounted with 4 screws. The Celestion's holes lined right up.


I wasn't sure how the re-issue Princeton Reverb is configured and I wanted to provide a "heads-up" to cover any contingency you might encounter. Leo Fender's Princeton Reverb's all used eight fasteners to mount the speaker to the baffle board.

Play that Greenback *vigorously* for forty or fifty hours and it should sweeten right up.

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