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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:24 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
If one reads the reviews and MULTIPLE threads on this topic here, one might get the impression that there is a full-on 90% chance of getting a defective amp!!!! What gives, Fender?

It's like these $1,000 reissue tube amps have all sorts of issues just like the mustangs supposedly had the fizz problems.

And that would be a gross exaggeration! Surely no one with any common understanding of business would believe that statement!

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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:42 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
If one reads the reviews and MULTIPLE threads on this topic here, one might get the impression that there is a full-on 90% chance of getting a defective amp!!!! What gives, Fender?

It's like these $1,000 reissue tube amps have all sorts of issues just like the mustangs supposedly had the fizz problems.

And that would be a gross exaggeration! Surely no one with any common understanding of business would believe that statement!


I hope you're right. I'm going simply from reading the reviews on all online sellers (MF, sweetwater, etc) and NUMEROUS threads on this very forum. One gets the impression that there is a very good chance that a new DRRI or PRRI will come brand new out of the box w/ something wrong with either the reverb or tremelo (vibrato) or will have some kind of hum or clicking that will need to be repaired or replaced under warranty.

Even "positive" reviews talk about how they love their amp after they did this warranty work because now it's worth it but it was broken when they got it.

I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm getting myself a new amp for Christmas and I want to know if I should get a DRRI.


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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:45 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
.............I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm getting myself a new amp for Christmas and I want to know if I should get a DRRI.

Go for it! :D

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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:57 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
.............I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm getting myself a new amp for Christmas and I want to know if I should get a DRRI.

Go for it! :D


You know what? How's this for rationalizing wanting to get myself a new toy?

I really answered my own question. The thing does indeed have a 5-year warranty (right?). I already know that Fender is good about honoring warranties hassle free and musicians friend is great about taking returns and doing exchanges too. There is literally zero risk other than the slight hassle of actually having to arrange for return or repair under the warranty.

Also I have a version 1 Mustang 4 that has had zero "fizz" and zero problems for 2.5 years. Perhaps the loud complaining voices rise to the top? So we see lots of complaints on here but it's a small % of the amps sold? So I should trust my experience with Fender, which has been good.

How many DRRIs were sold last year? I guess a lot more than the 8 people who have taken the time to complain on guitar center's website in a review.


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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:23 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
IM4Tone wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
.............I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm getting myself a new amp for Christmas and I want to know if I should get a DRRI.

Go for it! :D


You know what? How's this for rationalizing wanting to get myself a new toy?

I really answered my own question. The thing does indeed have a 5-year warranty (right?). I already know that Fender is good about honoring warranties hassle free and musicians friend is great about taking returns and doing exchanges too. There is literally zero risk other than the slight hassle of actually having to arrange for return or repair under the warranty.

Also I have a version 1 Mustang 4 that has had zero "fizz" and zero problems for 2.5 years. Perhaps the loud complaining voices rise to the top? So we see lots of complaints on here but it's a small % of the amps sold? So I should trust my experience with Fender, which has been good.

How many DRRIs were sold last year? I guess a lot more than the 8 people who have taken the time to complain on guitar center's website in a review.

My thoughts exactly! AND, there's no requirement to send the amp back to Musician's Friend (IF a problem exists). There is probably an authorized Fender rpr. cntr. or tech. close by which will save the packaging/shipping hassle. All you need is "proof of purchase". Check the site for the one closest to you.

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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:53 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
IM4Tone wrote:
Her Wanna wrote:
.............I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm getting myself a new amp for Christmas and I want to know if I should get a DRRI.

Go for it! :D


You know what? How's this for rationalizing wanting to get myself a new toy?

I really answered my own question. The thing does indeed have a 5-year warranty (right?). I already know that Fender is good about honoring warranties hassle free and musicians friend is great about taking returns and doing exchanges too. There is literally zero risk other than the slight hassle of actually having to arrange for return or repair under the warranty.

Also I have a version 1 Mustang 4 that has had zero "fizz" and zero problems for 2.5 years. Perhaps the loud complaining voices rise to the top? So we see lots of complaints on here but it's a small % of the amps sold? So I should trust my experience with Fender, which has been good.

How many DRRIs were sold last year? I guess a lot more than the 8 people who have taken the time to complain on guitar center's website in a review.


Exactly! My TRRI and HRDlx III have been trouble free. My MIM guitars have also been excellent builds. Bought a ton of Fender products over the years and have had zero problems and when I have questions or concerns, Fender consumer relations has always been more than helpful.

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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:08 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
The Allen Amplification products are quite similar.


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Allen Amplification does not export any of its products (except to Canada) at this time.
We can't provide the 50hz transformers required and are not able to provide the local support so often requested.
Our amps cannot be operated with step-down transformers due to the 50hz which will overheat them.
Thank you and best wishes.


Bad luck for me :?

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Even "positive" reviews talk about how they love their amp after they did this warranty work because now it's worth it but it was broken when they got it.


How many were sold? How many were broken? What's the percentage? I guess it's in the 0.1% area (but 100% of them reported back in online forums). If you want to be sure, play the amp before you buy it - go to your local guitar store.


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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:06 am
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If you want to be sure, play the amp before you buy it - go to your local guitar store.


Absolutely!

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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:18 pm
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For yet another perspective from 50 years of playing the damn things...
It seems many modern users operate their amps in a small, quiet room with the speaker very close to their ears.

This is comparable to listening through headphones.

In such a situation, expecting any tube amp to be dead quiet and noise-free in any operating scenario is just asking too much.

In the real, gigging world, the amp is several feet behind you and not pointing directly at your head. Even in a studio, the amp is often baffled, isolated, or otherwise not close to the player.

Tube amp noise is just like single-coil pickup noise when too close to computer monitors. You're mixing new and old tech. Our ears have gotten used to the quiet of CDs and other digital media, and now the old tech sounds, uh, old.


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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:29 pm
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In the real, gigging world, the amp is several feet behind you and not pointing directly at your head.


In the "real, gigging world" amps are often miked through the PA system.

And *any* effluvia emanating from that amp is likewise amplified by several orders of magnitude.

To the ravers in a mosh pit snorting Raid and popping Ecstasy, it's probably inconsequential. To others who prefer clean untainted tone and a decent S/N ratio when playing a club with paying customers, such unwanted noise is an anathema.

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evets618 wrote:
In the real, gigging world, the amp is several feet behind you and not pointing directly at your head.


In the "real, gigging world" amps are often miked through the PA system.

And *any* effluvia emanating from that amp is likewise amplified by several orders of magnitude.

To the ravers in a mosh pit snorting Raid and popping Ecstasy, it's probably inconsequential. To others who prefer clean untainted tone and a decent S/N ratio when playing a club with paying customers, such unwanted noise is an anathema.

Arjay


Now you've done it Arjay! The price of Raid is going to go through the roof!!! :lol: :shock: :lol:

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Now you've done it Arjay! The price of Raid is going to go through the roof!!!


:mrgreen:

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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:37 pm
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Geesh, what the hell is Fender doing? Looks like they have a suicide wish. I was at a local store Tuesday when they unboxed a 68 Custom Twin Reverb. I admit I was excited by the marketing spiel (but was realistically skeptical) and was anxious to try it. Seemed like it might have an traditional Twin tone stack and a somewhat Tweed tone stack. However, the bugger exhibited almost the exact same faults as the OP's amp! Discolored Tolex on the corners where the foam packing covered (there was a plastic bag over the entire amp between the amp and foam corners - ???), very loud idle hum, tremolo did not tick but did not work until speed and intensity were at about 5, and sounded like doo-doo past 8, and the reverb began to oscillate at about 3. There be trouble in River City.
Took my can of Raid, came home to my 65 Tremolux and smiled a while.


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Took my can of Raid, came home to my 65 Tremolux and smiled a while.


There's no disputing the virtues of a '65 Tremolux.

:wink:

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Post subject: Re: '68 Deluxe Reverb problems...
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:42 am
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evets618 wrote:
In such a situation, expecting any tube amp to be dead quiet and noise-free in any operating scenario is just asking too much.


My '67 Princeton Reverb is as quiet as a church mouse. There's a pilot light for a reason.

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Our ears have gotten used to the quiet of CDs and other digital media, and now the old tech sounds, uh, old.


Only if it's broken. A tube won't amplify a signal which isn't there.

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