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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:05 am
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They look to be pretty nice amps! :) Back in 1968 when the SF amps came out,I was just a four year old kid. I only know about these amps by reading about them. I'd be curious to try one out to hear how they sound,and if possible,put them up against the original SF amps for comparison. :) I would choose the Deluxe Reverb myself,but it would be a hard choice deciding if I would like these or the BF DRRI better if I were to pull the trigger on one today! I would have to play one to find out for sure and let my ears be the judge!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:11 am
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Sorry for the exceedingly long and rambling post... I'm trying to kill some time before I have to run errands. :)

In some ways I'd imagine they're better than some of the original SFs... at least the 70's versions. I had an early 70's Twin Reverb and it was a little noisy and weighed an ever-lovin' ton! The noise of course could have been the result of needing some maintenance but I didn't find the amp itself to be anything special... I prefer the TRRI I have now honestly. I think modern production methods are much more uniform than they used to be... great if you like what's being offered, not so great if you're hoping to find that 1-50 that sounds all the sweeter. I think the overall QC on these amps is likely to be better than on their late 60's and 70's counterparts.

I guess some will argue that the original SFs benefited from having point to point wiring, and hence, makes them "better", but to keep things affordable we'll have to do with modern (and cheaper) construction methods. I did see something about hand wired tube sockets but for all I know, all Fender amps have hand wired tube sockets... something needs to be done by hand I'd think. :?:

It's been my experience that amps are finicky beasts... while an A/B test of new and old would be interesting, there are so many factors at play (circuitry, components, speakers, cabinet construction, tubes, bias...) I'd be surprised if they really sound exactly the same... of course, "better or worse" than the originals is subjective, and I guess we'll all just have to wait for some sound clips to decide. I'm sure they'll capture the general "clean" Fender sound but I'll be interested to hear how much personality they have, and what exactly that personality is. They technically aren't reissues and I'm guessing the Custom channel is a whole new beast... it's certainly being pitched as such. I'm more curious to see how the Vintage channel on the new models compares to the Vibrato channel on the older SFs and Vintage Reissues... especially with the new models featuring quicker gain onset and reduced negative feedback. I'll have to hear it to get my head around what that actually is and what it sounds like.

I will say that I'm considering what I might sell to fund the purchase of the Deluxe Reverb model should the sound reports be favorable. Until then...


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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:36 am
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KC9SYJ wrote:
Back in 1968 when the SF amps came out...


Actually the first of the drip-edge silverface models appeared in the spring of 1967, with the new cosmetics applied initially to the "student model" amps. I've seen documentable examples of Bandmasters and Dual Showmans built in June and my very first new Fender amp was a drip-edge silverface Super Reverb built in July and purchased in August. I currently own a drip-edge silverface Bandmaster with matching cabinet that was made in October of 1967. However, the re-styled amp line was "officially" unveiled in Fender's 68-69 catalog.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:19 pm
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Are those hand wired, as the vintage ones?


Dream on. :lol: :lol: :lol:



Why not? If they are capable of re-producing the old rosewood telecasters at the cost of $7,000, they may also produce the exact clones of B/F amps with the original circuitry and specs and charge accordingly.
Are they really able to replicate the original B/F amps these days? I believe they are, so why wouldn't they do it, having in mind that many would rather pay $3,000 for the exact replicas of 1965 DR than pay the same amount for a 50 years old amp. :mrgreen:

Or maybe, there is something else there ..

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:27 pm
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Why not? Check the price, that tells the story, as inferred before. Sure, they are able to, but if these amps were hand-wired, they would cost much, much more. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:34 pm
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What price, the MSRP for the new DR is $1,399 or so.
If they make 100% replica of the hand wired DR with AA763 I bet many would cough out $3,000 ..


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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:42 pm
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It's the iron that maybe the rate-limiting step. Hammond gets close, but to have all the proper guts of the OEM BF & SF stuff, prolly need to be custom wound. You'd really need a healthy predicted sales number to make that worth it.

Be interesting to know if the market would be as great for a $3K P2P DRRI as the circuit board version.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:52 pm
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Nikola Tesla wrote:
What price, the MSRP for the new DR is $1,399 or so.
If they make 100% replica of the hand wired DR with AA763 I bet many would cough out $3,000 ..


Exactly! The new amps are offered at a price much less than your $3K estimate, that's why they said "dream on", meaning that these new amps are NOT HAND-WIRED.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:14 am
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I know that this maybe too simplistic... but maybe the reason why Fender hasn't come out with a wide range of P2P amps is there are plenty of original amps floating around. In good condition or relatively simple fixes, at much less than new boutique prices.

I mean, you can buy a SFTR for a lot less than trying to replicate a new one. No?

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:48 am
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Nikola Tesla wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
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Are those hand wired, as the vintage ones?


Dream on. :lol: :lol: :lol:



Why not? If they are capable of re-producing the old rosewood telecasters at the cost of $7,000, they may also produce the exact clones of B/F amps with the original circuitry and specs and charge accordingly.
Are they really able to replicate the original B/F amps these days? I believe they are, so why wouldn't they do it, having in mind that many would rather pay $3,000 for the exact replicas of 1965 DR than pay the same amount for a 50 years old amp. :mrgreen:

Or maybe, there is something else there ..

:D


I won't spend $3000 for ANY hand wired amp. Not when I can build my own for around $800 and have a better amp.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:14 am
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I won't spend $3000 for ANY amp, specially for the overrated, pseudo-vintage stuff...


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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:31 am
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matbard wrote:
I won't spend $3000 for ANY amp, specially for the overrated, pseudo-vintage stuff...


I hear ya,...I'd be happy to settle for a $1,100.00 vintage re-issue like the DRRI,...that would be my limit,...NO MORE than that,...new or used! :!: $1,100.00 is the limit on amps in this house,...$500.00 is the limit for guitar! :)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:02 am
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matbard wrote:
I won't spend $3000 for ANY amp, specially for the overrated, pseudo-vintage stuff...


Overrated......?

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I don't think so.

And it's the $3000+ prices that keep the real clowns out of the vintage amp market -- to the benefit of all who crave genuine vintage Fender tone.

For the penury of others I am blameless......and thankful.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:17 am
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Yes, completely overrated.

Naturally, you throw your $ 3.000+ "vintage extraordinary amp" into the trunk of your utility car and bang it around crap stages every week or so with your $ 20.000+ "vintage all original dead mint guitar", right? Lucky man with a very big wallet!!! :mrgreen:

Sorry, but I prefer right priced, reliable and ready-to-go stuff that I can abuse without headaches and with a warranty I can rely on, even because nobody into my audience will come and comply about not having the "real Fender tone"(put your personal definition of it here).

In other words: we are discussing about tools for musicians. I leave the debate over the vintage or pseudovintage(as are the original silverfaces amps).


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Post subject: Re: Fender Silverface Reissue Amps?
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:48 am
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matbard wrote:
Naturally, you throw your $ 3.000+ "vintage extraordinary amp" into the trunk of your utility car and bang it around crap stages every week


Judging by that picture, I'd say he knows how to take care of his possessions.


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