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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:24 pm
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They don't even make dollars like they used to!


Or coins for that matter......the silver is gone. Nothing but pot-metal zinc now.

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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:03 pm
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People have a lot more money now than they ever have. This time is probably the best ever. Enjoy it. :D


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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:11 pm
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Due to deflation caused by monetized debt and The Fed's continued use of "quantitative easing", the value of that "money" has evaporated -- right along with the quality of the merchandise that money is used to buy.

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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:26 pm
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+1 Retroverbial

Just look at the exchange rate for yet another indication. And very soon, we will very likely loose the advantage of the US dollar being the world's reserve currency. At that point, the US dollar will be worth less (worthless) than the paper on which it is printed.

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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:28 pm
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Maybe so. But if you weren't so young, you would remember that up until the 70s, there was not much money for the average family. Now there is.


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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:35 pm
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I must be young, as I thought that there was a boom after WWII, and the 50s were the best time ever. :?

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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:36 am
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Maybe so. But if you weren't so young, you would remember that up until the 70s, there was not much money for the average family. Now there is.


But of course.

And all that "money" is used by that same prototypical family to service debt......not buy new stuff. Look at the statistics for home sales, new automobile purchases, and other "durable goods" which generally require financing. They're in the tank, and have been for close to a decade now. And if it weren't so, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Period, end of story, nothing follows.

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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:41 am
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rudorama wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
In 1967 (early), the blackface Deluxe Reverb retailed for $279 or thereabouts. A Twin Reverb was $499.50 according to the same price list.

Calculations obtained from http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ :

$279 in 1967 U.S. dollars = $1,951.30 today
$499.50 in 1967 U.S. dollars = $3,493.45 today :cry:
Inflation rate is 599.4%

They don't even make dollars like they used to!


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You understand very well what I write.
Today some people think they have a good tube amp at $500 . :lol:

Yes it may sound good ( for you ) but this amp never last as long as some quality and tough built amp like Fender Blackface .


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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:46 am
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Today some people think they have a good tube amp at $500 . :lol:


"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."

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Post subject: Re: "They Don't Make Things Like they Used To" ???
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:05 am
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It's always helpful to remember inflation when looking at old prices. Relative to the value of the dollar, this stuff costs now about what it did then, maybe less.

True, it is probably not as solidly built.

Still, there have been real improvements. If I buy a two channel amp, I want to footswitch between channels, I want to tap tempo any effects, and I don't need 4 inputs.

I think in many ways new stuff is much more flexible and capable then the older stuff. While I don't like the digital modelers myself, they are pretty amazingly powerful and the right thing for some people. There was nothing that capable then.

You can get hand made boutique stuff today for roughly what that old Twin cost in today's dollars. It will sound great and be well made, but it won't be as flexible as a modern Fender or Mesa or Egnater or something like that.

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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:46 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I'm happy that I'm not a slave to the crap that's currently being manufactured.

And no, I do not foresee a day when companies return to the true-and-true production methods that made them household names to be trusted and revered.

Arjay


+1 I have no problem with advancement and like Lou said, who wants to hand crank a car to start it? But you can still advance technology while still using high quality components and quality manufacturing techniques. What's the use of all the high tech merchandise, if it's built to be landfill in five to ten years? Personally, I'm pretty sick of it. It planned obsolescence and it sucks. I had my Twin for 35 years and I trusted Fender, but guess what, the next amp I bought was designed and manufactured like garbage. Once bitten, twice shy. I switched manufacturers and now build my own as well and I will keep doing it. I'm thinking about building a partcaster Tele from Stewmac with a Pine body with some knots in it. :lol: Normally, I would just buy a Fender, now I'll make my own custom shop Tele. If you don't make stuff yourself, you're stuck with nothing but mass produced, mediocre gear, and just like Arjay, I won't be a slave to it either. As long as I can use my own hands, I'll do it myself. :mrgreen:

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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:25 pm
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To each his own I suppose. Remember this, though: we have greatly increased the means of communication today. For all we know there were people that were having trouble with their brand new Twin in 1965 but all they could do was get it fixed. Maybe a few wrote letters, but today people can instantly announce their complaint to the world. Also, we love those old amps that have survived. We are less aware of the ones that have ended up in the junk heap.

I think the quality of the "average Joe" stuff is much better today. Certainly it is much more varied. When I was working musician 30 years ago there wasn't that much affordable good stuff available. It was peavey basically. In that category I think a PRS Se or a $500 Vox is much better then what was available for the average guy then.

Just my opinion that's all.

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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:14 pm
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If you don't make stuff yourself, you're stuck with nothing but mass produced, mediocre gear......As long as I can use my own hands, I'll do it myself.


WORD!

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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:50 pm
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To each his own I suppose. Remember this, though: we have greatly increased the means of communication today. For all we know there were people that were having trouble with their brand new Twin in 1965 but all they could do was get it fixed. Maybe a few wrote letters, but today people can instantly announce their complaint to the world. Also, we love those old amps that have survived. We are less aware of the ones that have ended up in the junk heap.

I think the quality of the "average Joe" stuff is much better today. Certainly it is much more varied. When I was working musician 30 years ago there wasn't that much affordable good stuff available. It was peavey basically. In that category I think a PRS Se or a $500 Vox is much better then what was available for the average guy then.

Just my opinion that's all.


Len, I had my 76 Twin for 35 years, it was gigged most of that time and never saw a repair shop. My 66 Vibrolux Reverb was re- capped once and stolen in the late 80's same thing, never a failure, just maintenence, my 76 Bandmaster, never a problem, my 75 Sunn Scepter, same thing. My Hot Rod Deluxe gave up the ghost after only three months of gigging, and was constantly in the shop for one thing or another. IMO, the stuff today is pretty much junk. I have to say my Egnater Rebel 20 has been rock solid, though it looks like the 30's and some of the Tweakers and Renegade series have some issues. Even my 74 Champ has never seen a shop and I play it every day. The Champ was a "student model" amp. I still have a 63 Supro that I still gig with that I've had since 1965. I doubt any of the new stuff will be around 50 years. They will have to pry my soldering iron and screwdriver from my cold dead hands before I stop building stuff. I even built most of my pedals. :wink:

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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:23 pm
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63supro wrote:
They will have to pry my soldering iron and screwdriver from my cold dead hands before I stop building stuff.


LMFAO!!!

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