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Post subject: Fender,...put a different speaker in the BDRI amp!
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:52 pm
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Dear Fender,...for those of us who own,...or would like to own,...the Blues Deluxe Reissue amp,...please consider upgrading this amp with a different speaker and same control panel that are on the other Hot Rod series amps. Others may or may not agree with me,...but I really feel the amp would sound much better with a Jensen speaker in it rather than the
Eminence speaker that is in there now. Maybe even consider upgrading to a Celestion Green Back speaker. No matter what,...this amp is in need of an upgrade in the speaker dept. Why am I saying this? I will be very happy to tell you! Granted,the amp sounds nice,...I have tried one at the dealer two or three different times,...but I bought the Hot Rod Deluxe III amp instead of the BDRI amp! Why? Well,the HRD III amp sounded better with the Celestion speaker than the BDRI with the Eminence speaker. Another upgrade you can do is in the tube dept. While the GT tubes are okay at best,...I would,...if I were in your shoes,...switch to Tung-Sol as the stock tubes,or even Electro-Harmonix. If you would do these upgrades on your own,we Fender amp owners would not have to do them on our own and risk voiding our warranties! Too bad GE and RCA tubes are no longer around,...if they were still in business making tubes,I would suggest them! My HRD III amp came with GT 6L6 CHP tubes with JCJ-5 "white" rating,...they are fine for now,but come time to change tubes,that amp may very well get Tung-Sol 6L6GC STR tubes in the "medium" range. I would DEFINITELY consider upgrades in the speaker and tube dept. for the BDRI amp! :D

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P.S. I will buy the BDRI amp if you would at LEAST upgrade the speaker from the Eminence to either a Jensen or Celestion,...just get rid of the Eminence in that series of amps! CORRECTION: Make that the Celestion Vintage 30 60 watt speaker,Fender,...and the C12K for the Jensen!

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Post subject: Re: Fender,...put a different speaker in the BDRI amp!
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:08 pm
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I don't mean to urinate on your procession but the G12M Celestion Greenback is only rated for thirty watts. I'm doubtful that FMIC would risk the liability issues for warranty service if that speaker became the OEM standard for the BDRI. A Jensen C12K or the Jet/Blackbird would be a more appropriate driver for that amp.

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Post subject: Re: Fender,...put a different speaker in the BDRI amp!
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:19 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I don't mean to urinate on your procession but the G12M Celestion Greenback is only rated for thirty watts. I'm doubtful that FMIC would risk the liability issues for warranty service if that speaker became the OEM standard for the BDRI. A Jensen C12K or the Jet/Blackbird would be a more appropriate driver for that amp.

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No big deal,...I am glad that you did point out the fact that the Celestion Green Back is only rated at 30 watts,...I only know that speaker by name as I have read about it on other forums. No,...Fender would not want to risk liability issues with that speaker as OEM in the BDRI amp,...the Jensen would be a better choice,then,...anything but the Eminence.
I have done more research on the C12K from Jensen's website than I have on the Celestion
G12M Green Back. I have a Celestion speaker brochure,...I can't believe I missed reading the specs for it! :oops:

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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:21 pm
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Celestion's 60-watt Vintage 30 would be a credible alternative.

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Post subject: Re: Fender,...put a different speaker in the BDRI amp!
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:51 pm
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I fully agree the BLDLX is long over due for a Speaker upgrade. I think the Celestion speaker you meant to specify, is the G12P-80. This is the speaker that fender upgraded too in the Hot rod Deluxe & Deville 212. The Celestion G12P-80 also comes standard in the Fender Mustang 3 & 4 amps. That Celestion speaker is fantastic in my opinion...Zero complaints with my Mustang 4 having that Speaker.

I put the Italian made Jensen C12k 100 watt in both my Blues Tweed Deluxe & Hot Rod Deville 212 coupled with changing out 2 of the Preamp tubes for lower gain values. Both of these amps will now hold their own in a gigging situation. A couple simple changes have turned both of these amps into Solid stage Performers.

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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:53 pm
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Good points KC9SYJ, maybe an BDRI FSR is in order. :idea:

Keep in mind not to paint GT with such a bold brush, there are several flavors. You got one of the Chinese versions, which is a black-Plate, but the Russian GTs might be more to your liking. Another Chinese made tube exclusive to GT, is the GE RI, something else to consider. The Russian tubes that GT uses include Sovtek, EH, and the the same factory that produces them also produces the Tung Sol, Gold Lion, and Svetlana among others. Heck, GT even uses tubes made by JJ. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Fender,...put a different speaker in the BDRI amp!
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:56 pm
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Blues Deluxe Reissue FSR:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BluesDlxFSR/

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Limi ... 2214514.gc

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Post subject: Re: Fender,...put a different speaker in the BDRI amp!
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:57 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I don't mean to urinate on your procession but the G12M Celestion Greenback is only rated for thirty watts. I'm doubtful that FMIC would risk the liability issues for warranty service if that speaker became the OEM standard for the BDRI. A Jensen C12K or the Jet/Blackbird would be a more appropriate driver for that amp.

Arjay


G12M Greenback reissue is only 25 watts. That's what I just put in the cab for my Wrecking Ball head.

http://celestion.com/product/16/g12m_greenback/

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Post subject: Re: Fender,...put a different speaker in the BDRI amp!
Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:41 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Good points KC9SYJ, maybe an BDRI FSR is in order. :idea:

Keep in mind not to paint GT with such a bold brush, there are several flavors. You got one of the Chinese versions, which is a black-Plate, but the Russian GTs might be more to your liking. Another Chinese made tube exclusive to GT, is the GE RI, something else to consider. The Russian tubes that GT uses include Sovtek, EH, and the the same factory that produces them also produces the Tung Sol, Gold Lion, and Svetlana among others. Heck, GT even uses tubes made by JJ. 8)


Wow,...I just learned some things about GT that I didn't even know! Thanks for pointing that out,Shimmilou! Just curious as to how my HRD III would sound with GT 6L6GE tubes in it!

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:53 am
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bluesky636 wrote:


Nice looking amp and looks like Fender may have beat me to the punch on this one! According to Sweetwater website,it says this will be a limited run of 150 amps for the USA!
Only thing that scares me is that by the time I can get one,...they'll be gone,probably! :(
Hopefully,Fender might see fit to make more if the amp really increases in popularity with the speaker change on the FSR version! Only way I would be able to jump on this one is to trade my HRD III for it,but I don't want to since I like my HRD III so much! :) :)

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:30 am
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KC9SYJ wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:


Nice looking amp and looks like Fender may have beat me to the punch on this one! According to Sweetwater website,it says this will be a limited run of 150 amps for the USA!
Only thing that scares me is that by the time I can get one,...they'll be gone,probably! :(
Hopefully,Fender might see fit to make more if the amp really increases in popularity with the speaker change on the FSR version! Only way I would be able to jump on this one is to trade my HRD III for it,but I don't want to since I like my HRD III so much! :) :)





The Jensen p12-Q speaker is an upgrade for sure over the stock Eminence. However, it's only half the watts of your Celestion G12P-80 speaker that is in your HRDX. So unless you are looking for early speaker breakup as the title suggest 'Smokey Blues' ..you better sit where your at and enjoy your HRDX III.

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:02 am
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KC9SYJ wrote:
...Just curious as to how my HRD III would sound with GT 6L6GE tubes in it!


I have a pair in a Bassman right now, but it is an AC568, so I get some early breakup that I feel is at least partly due to the circuit, so I tamed it a bit with lower gain preamp tubes. I plan on trying the GEs in my HRDlx.......eventually. I have a lot on my Plate right now, and have been on yet another guitar buying spree, so it might be a while.

You might well like the CHPs with some different preamp tubes. I have had great results with a GE 5751 in V1, a GT 12AX7-C in V2 and a GT 12AT7 in V3, in both HRDlxs and BDRIs. Keep in mind that the output tube rating will affect the sound also, higher numbers for more headroom, lower number for early breakup. Your output tubes are right in the middle for a very good all-around sound. It is much easier to try different preamp/PI tubes, just plug and Play. If cost is a consideration, with the output tubes that you have, I would suggest a JJ 5751 in V1, a Tung Sol or EH 12AX7 in V2 (Tung Sol for warmer breakup on the drive channel, or the EH for brighter) and a JAN Phillips 12AT7 in V3.

But then again, you might prefer different output tubes with the stock Sovtek preamp tubes (I'm guessing that your preamp are Sovtek).

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As a side note, Fender owns the Groove Tubes company so they're unlikely to ever use any other brand/supplier of tubes.


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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:30 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
As a side note, Fender owns the Groove Tubes company so they're unlikely to ever use any other brand/supplier of tubes.


Common knowledge. Fender has owned them for a number of years.

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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:49 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
strayedstrater wrote:
As a side note, Fender owns the Groove Tubes company so they're unlikely to ever use any other brand/supplier of tubes.


Common knowledge. Fender has owned them for a number of years.


Hmmmmm,...learn something new on here everyday! :!: :!: I had no idea Fender owned Groove Tubes!

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