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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:03 pm
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I've also never heard of a BD not being loud enough. i would think he got a DUD. I see plenty for sale on CL and a common theme is how loud they are.

BMW....I have a '95 BDv 2x12...and it is what you say. It is very loud, with plenty of clean headroom. I use it quite a lot for gigs where you wouldn't want to bring out your vintage amps(probably 75% of the gigs I play) for fear of drunkards, or stage mishaps due to lack of space.

Still for what he paid for a brand new BD, he could have gotten a vintage on CL or elswhere, and been happier for it.

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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:38 pm
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Why are we wasting time with this thread? Clearly anyone who comes here and in their first post does nothing but gripe and then disappears is a troll.

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:28 pm
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+1 Bill...I disregarded the OP, just commented more for the sake of the regular guys...I think your right though, this ones been beat to death.

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:41 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
Why are we wasting time with this thread? Clearly anyone who comes here and in their first post does nothing but gripe and then disappears is a troll.

Yep, a troll for sure!
Trolls keep doing it because we're dumb enough to react. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:43 am
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I don't think the OP is a troll because he stated his very detailed opinion about this amp and doesn't feel the need for a rebuttal.

I own this amp and share much of his opinion about this amp when it's in a gigging situation. However, where I differ from him is this, I feel the amp can be a Great performer with a speaker change and changing 2 of the preamp tubes for a lower gain value. And no..I don't have the need to change anything with the Tone stack layout or anything else with the original circuitry, I like it the way it is.

I strongly suspect, that Fender will be making a few changes to this amp with regards to a speaker upgrade and whatever else like they did to the Hot Rod Deluxe 3 :)

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:16 am
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Well, getting back to the apparent difference in dynamics and headroom between say a vintage Fender and the recent amps --- I noticed one difference. The new amps use a 12AX7 phase inverter to drive the 6L6GCs. Most vintage Fender amps of the BF and SF era used the 12AT7.

The 12AT7 can swing quite a bit more current than a 12AX7. So theoretically, give the amp more headroom. I don't own a BDRI or HRD, but my bet is the new amps sound louder but maybe more compressed. And the vintage amps have a wider volume swing at similar settings.

Just a WAG....


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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:22 am
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I think that is a very good point. That could be why so many, like myself, prefer the AT for the PI. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:58 am
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My Supersonic Twin uses a 12at7, bit my previous Line6 Spidervalve amp used a 12ax7.

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:42 am
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BMW2002Ti wrote:
Well, getting back to the apparent difference in dynamics and headroom between say a vintage Fender and the recent amps --- I noticed one difference. The new amps use a 12AX7 phase inverter to drive the 6L6GCs. Most vintage Fender amps of the BF and SF era used the 12AT7.

The 12AT7 can swing quite a bit more current than a 12AX7. So theoretically, give the amp more headroom. I don't own a BDRI or HRD, but my bet is the new amps sound louder but maybe more compressed. And the vintage amps have a wider volume swing at similar settings.

Just a WAG....



Fully agree. I'm not sure why Fender insist on using a lineup of all 12ax7 preamp tubes ?? With the 12ax7 in the V1 slot of the Blues Deluxe, it goes from volume 2 to Slop in a hurry :lol: Also, they must know the stock speaker is way under powered for this amp :?

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:44 pm
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Reply for all of the "There must be something wrong" posts.

NO, there is nothing wrong with the amp as in malfunction. As stated, I`ve played professionally or many years, used a huge variety o amps and even work on amps from time to time. People just do not know, that simple. If you have an idea of what an amp, a tube amp, should sound like tonewise then you would understand. Many people don`t know how to set any amp up, I run into it all of the time and no I don`t think my way is the only way and yes I know people have various tastes. A 40 watt tube amp should sound fat, full, and loud enough to cover a 100 seat club at least. This amp isn`t and doesn`t and can`t. What I posted about this amp is absolute. It is WEAK in comparison to MANY other amps with the same wattage and not nearly loud enough before losing the essence of tone. I use a Twin and a CierraTone HRM 100 most of the time and I don`t expect the little guy to hang with either of those amps but a 40 watt tube amp should have far more headroom than this amp. It is a terrible design made for beginners and that`s what Fender should advertise it as, not a "Clean Machine", gimme a break!..LOL! Forget the clean channel period. It is the worst tube amp that I have ever owned. I am a professional musician, not a bedroom musician and my post was directed to hopefully stop other professionals from making the same mistake that I made by expecting a tube amp made by fender to do the job as granted. I would suggest a few of the Orange Models along the same line of power or the PRS models. You may not get the exact same clean tone as a Fender Twin but At least you have some headroom to work with. I don`t get this whole idea of wanting a clean channel to break up early anyway, makes no sense at all to me, but that`s me. I want my clean channel to be just that,..CLEAN. That way I can get the volume I need. I let my TS-808 dirty the water and my Dark Matter pedal muddy it. As stated in my OP, this amp is ok for a little recording IF you do the tone stack mod and change the speaker and all of the tubes and clip the diode beneath the reverb pot. Because the design and schematics are so bad, it`s best to tackle it from the back side first. Seems to be the biggest change, easiest and simplest. My suggestion is a Creamback 65. Cierra Tone Amps friends. At least take a look. The best out there as far as I`m concerned. That said, I`m out. Good luck


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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:25 am
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So Woodstock, you weren't happy just spouting your vitriol about the BDRI on the Fender website (http://www.fender.com/series/hot-rod/bl ... ssue-120v/, see reviews), you decided to come here and rag on the amp some more. Ok. Fine. But after reading your two posts, it is clear that you have very little knowledge of amp design. You clearly bought this amp thinking it was something that it is not. Then when you realized your mistake, not only do you trash the amp, but all the people who own the amp and like it. You wanted clean? Why didn't you buy a Twin Reverb or any of the other amps that are designed to be super clean. Any person with a knowledge of electronics in general and amp design in particular can look at the BDRI schematic and see that it is not designed for the kind of cleans that you are looking for. But instead of admitting your mistake and selling the amp, you come here and trash the amp for what it was never meant to be. Please show me any ad copy where Fender touts the BDRI as a "Clean Machine". They certainly do not use words any where near that in their description of the amp on the Fender website.

You claim to be a professional musician who occasionally works on amps. My guess is that the most you have ever done is swap tubes and speakers. That clearly makes you an expert. Me? I'm just a bedroom player. But I have a degree in electrical engineering (received when tubes were still part of the curriculum) and I design and build amps as well as being one of the people here who likes to help others with amp problems. You? You are nothing but a troll who when he doesn't get his way trashes everything and everyone in his path.

You're out of here? Good. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out. I can definitely say that you won't be missed around here.

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:05 am
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Stifling your emotions is bad for the cardio-pulmonary and vascular systems, Bill.

Don't bottle that animosity up -- tell us how you really feel.

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:15 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
So Woodstock, you weren't happy just spouting your vitriol about the BDRI on the Fender website (http://www.fender.com/series/hot-rod/bl ... ssue-120v/, see reviews), you decided to come here and rag on the amp some more. Ok. Fine. But after reading your two posts, it is clear that you have very little knowledge of amp design. You clearly bought this amp thinking it was something that it is not. Then when you realized your mistake, not only do you trash the amp, but all the people who own the amp and like it. You wanted clean? Why didn't you buy a Twin Reverb or any of the other amps that are designed to be super clean. Any person with a knowledge of electronics in general and amp design in particular can look at the BDRI schematic and see that it is not designed for the kind of cleans that you are looking for. But instead of admitting your mistake and selling the amp, you come here and trash the amp for what it was never meant to be. Please show me any ad copy where Fender touts the BDRI as a "Clean Machine". They certainly do not use words any where near that in their description of the amp on the Fender website.

You claim to be a professional musician who occasionally works on amps. My guess is that the most you have ever done is swap tubes and speakers. That clearly makes you an expert. Me? I'm just a bedroom player. But I have a degree in electrical engineering (received when tubes were still part of the curriculum) and I design and build amps as well as being one of the people here who likes to help others with amp problems. You? You are nothing but a troll who when he doesn't get his way trashes everything and everyone in his path.

You're out of here? Good. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out. I can definitely say that you won't be missed around here.


+1,...and can I add something here? Bill,I have the Hot Rod Deluxe III amp with the Celestion speaker and I am happy with the sound of the amp. Glad Woodstock is going bye bye if all he is going to do is trash the BRDI and those who like and own the amp.
(I never owned the previous version of the HRD amps,though,....not sure if Blues Jr. counts,but had one years ago and liked it very much). I darn near bought the BDRI amp,but chose the HRD III instead because I liked the sound a LOT better. The BDRI does have a slightly "warmer" tone than my HRD III does,but that may be due to the speaker,...but I won't say it has a 'muddy" sound,... because it doesn't! Warmer? Yes,...Muddy? No! An upgrade of the BDRI amp is long overdue,I think,...and Fender can start by putting in a different speaker. I tried the BDRI along with the HRD III,and again,...I chose the HRD III due mainly to the quality of sound coming from the Celestion speaker over the Eminence in the BDRI amp. Would I buy a BDRI amp eventually? Only if Fender upgrades it with a much better speaker from Jensen or Celestion! I tried a DRRI with the Jensen speaker and I thought it sounded very nice,...maybe that speaker is what the BDRI needs! Just because Woodstock is a pro musician doesn't make him an amp tech by any means,...and it doesn't make him an expert,either,if all he has probably ever done is swap tubes and speakers.

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Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:05 pm
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There are several comments made by the OP, here and in the review, that clearly show he doesn't have a clue, and is quite contradictory. I wouldn't worry about anyone being fooled by this one malcontent out of many, many happy customers.

"Volume not an audio taper...", "...clip the diode below the reverb pot..." :roll:

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Post subject: Re: IMO BDRI
Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:39 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
There are several comments made by the OP, here and in the review, that clearly show he doesn't have a clue, and is quite contradictory. I wouldn't worry about anyone being fooled by this one malcontent out of many, many happy customers.

"Volume not an audio taper...", "...clip the diode below the reverb pot..." :roll:


Woodstock's diatribe over the BDRI was not at all necessary,and I take his comments with a grain of salt! He says he's leaving,...okay,let him!

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