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Post subject: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:29 am
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I've thought lately about buying a used PRRI so I figured I'd check the going rate on ebay and was surprised to see so many old and reissue's at any given time for sale. There are so many positive reviews on these that it would seem like they should be hard to come by. I do realize some may be over financial issues and also that so many have been made over the years so maybe that's the only reason they appear.


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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:44 am
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The PRRI's sound real good, but for the price, most people find the DRRI better. For the same money why buy a 10" speaker and 15 watts, when you can get a DRRI with 12" speaker and 22 watts.


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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:42 am
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I think it's entirely possible the PR may have a slightly different tone than the DR, providing a little more bottom end despite the lower wattage and smaller driver. This could possibly be due to different values in the tone stack caps. I can't say for certain but I heard about this while doing the BillM mods on the BJr I once owned. Mr. Machrone chose the tone stack values from the PR for his mods because he said they provided the BJr more bottom end than the values from other Fender amps from back in the day. Maybe some of our more accomplished amp gurus could shed some light on this as I'd be curious to know if this were actually true.

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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:10 am
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It seems that the tone stack is about the same (at least between the AA1164 PR and the AB763 DR). What is different is after the tone stack. The coupling to the second gain stage and the phase inverter type. The DR has the traditional long-tailed PI (with a 12AT7). The PR has the concertina (with half of a 12AX7). There is quite a difference in the two PI's tone.

Not sure about bass roll off. That would depend on voltage & current parameters placed onto the two specific PI's. And the corresponding coupling cap values.



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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:53 am
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Didn't you already post this thread?

Added to what I already said in the previous thread the ''65 Princeton Reverb Reissue is not cheap and for what it is you can get some alternatives for a lot less or more for about the same price. You can get a Super Champ X2 which IMO is much more versatile for only $350 which is now made in Mexico not China. There are so many amps out their at all price points you just have to figure out what you like. Nothing wrong with the Princeton but IMO the price is a little too steep for what it is.


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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:04 pm
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somethingelse11 wrote:
Didn't you already post this thread?


Indeed he did......

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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:38 pm
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somethingelse11 wrote:
Didn't you already post this thread?

Added to what I already said in the previous thread the ''65 Princeton Reverb Reissue is not cheap and for what it is you can get some alternatives for a lot less or more for about the same price. You can get a Super Champ X2 which IMO is much more versatile for only $350 which is now made in Mexico not China. There are so many amps out their at all price points you just have to figure out what you like. Nothing wrong with the Princeton but IMO the price is a little too steep for what it is.

where was it? I don't think I did on this but I did on other forums like the gearpage. Maybe one is linked to this. I did have a he** of a time loggin in since my original password didn.t work. I always post elsewhwhere since some posts go unanswered. Thanks for your answers just the same. I was rushed because one was up for bid and wanted to make sure they were ok. I missed out but I'm going to try an get a new one thru MF since theres a rebate thru Fender on thezse and also maybe some extra % thru mf as well. thanks again.


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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:48 pm
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I just looked and sure enough it posted twice. I have no idea how that happened. Maybe the moderater can delete the other one since this one was answered better or link the two together. I'ts wierd how that happened. Either way, I'm definately going to pick up one of these little amps. If it has rattle issues I'll just have to deal with it. As I said earlier, my DRRI seems like a nice amp so this should work out well to hopefully. One thing I like to do with my DRRI is put a ED1 compressor in front of it. I adds a little grind and sustsain at low practice volumes.


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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:10 am
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This may sound like a rant but it's not.
Just a friendly FYI.

A compressor, even a Marshall one, won't give you any additional grind at all let alone at low volumes ... unless your personal definition of grind is different than the norm, maybe? If a compressor adds anything to the tone at all then it's a really, really, really, REALLY, REALLY crappy compressor. Compressors should act upon volume and dynamics, not tone. Many folks say compressors take something away from tone but nobody will ever say they add anything to your tone. Perhaps in the case of extremely high levels of many FX running conurrently compression may or may not help the sustain it creates to blossom into high harmonic feedback but that's pretty much the only time compression will add anything and it could easily be argued that it's not the compression that creates the harmonics.

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Post subject: Re: why so many Fender Princeton Reverbs for sale?
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:28 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
This may sound like a rant but it's not.
Just a friendly FYI.

A compressor, even a Marshall one, won't give you any additional grind at all let alone at low volumes ... unless your personal definition of grind is different than the norm, maybe? If a compressor adds anything to the tone at all then it's a really, really, really, REALLY, REALLY crappy compressor. Compressors should act upon volume and dynamics, not tone. Many folks say compressors take something away from tone but nobody will ever say they add anything to your tone. Perhaps in the case of extremely high levels of many FX running conurrently compression may or may not help the sustain it creates to blossom into high harmonic feedback but that's pretty much the only time compression will add anything and it could easily be argued that it's not the compression that creates the harmonics.

never said it was a good one, just that I liked the tone it adds at low volume. It is really acting like a slight overdrive/.sustain pedal so by grind I meant a little overdrive. It's basically an op amp boost pedal. It also has a volume control so it helps with an amp that has drive/master volume controls for low volume practicing. I realize these are crappy pedals as I have good rack /studio ones but it works good for certain simulations at lower volumes.


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