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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:40 pm
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Why so violent?
What I have stated in my post is facts not opinions.
Your's on the other hand are opinions .
Today there are only about 5 tubes makers; Russian & Chinese. Relabeling happens alot nowadays. New Sensor Corp. (USA co) owns three of the tube makers and just recently acquired Mullard & Tung-Sol.
New Sensor is currently making tubes under all those brand names.
How much relabeling you think goes on there?
Do you know why your HRDIx came with Sovtek Tubes? low quality & low price amp builders cut costs where they can.
They have been used for many years as original equipment by a host of amp manufacturers.

Well you got the part about today's tubes don't sound like NOS, right.

Higher standards & testing is what makes today's tubes better.
I'm not just talking about sounding good. If you want sound stick a Sino tube in it.

I understand you don't want this to be true and want to split hairs over this, but I'm not going to argue facts- that's plain stupid.
Do some research before you get mad & shoot off your mouth.

If you want to use rigged gear then do it. I rather repair mine properly and have it running to it's full potential.


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Can someone explain the difference between the russian, chinese, and American tubes? In the tonal aspect? Thanks.


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hottrod wrote:
Can someone explain the difference between the russian, chinese, and American tubes? In the tonal aspect? Thanks.


hottrod-

get in touch with a tube dealer- they have a copy of tone tests done by the mfg's. The only USA tube makers are NOS type. NOS is the best quality, tone, etc but they are expensive. There's many NOS dealers online, do a search. That's your best bet :wink:

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get in touch with a tube dealer- they have a copy of tone tests done by the mfg's. The only USA tube makers are NOS type. NOS is the best quality, tone, etc but they are expensive. There's many NOS dealers online, do a search. That's your best bet


Thanks for all of the info. :D


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Nobody's mad about anything. I think you're the one taking offense and shooting your mouth off. There's probably nothing you can tell me about tubes. I am well aware of who makes them and where they come from and why, and also how they function. You my friend sound like you're spouting a Groove Tube ad. I didn't make a living playing music for close to 30 years by sounding bad.

I don't care what tubes you use personally. The fact I stated is that you do not need tubes with gold pins to sound great period. You're the one getting all defensive. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.
Only you can tell if they are any better tone wise.
As Sgt. Hulka says, "Lighten up Francis"

For the original poster, NOS tubes are "New Old Stock" some were made here, GE, RCA, Sylvania etc, some NOS tubes are from Europe. They are just tubes that were made many years ago that some dealers just hung on to. They were never used. Very expensive. Everything when I was young used vacuum tubes, TV's, Radios, even car radios. When I used them way back they had no gold pins. If you are a beginner or just new to tubes, I would try different preamp tubes first to see what you like. If you get them without gold pins, they are pretty inexpensive. If you find some you like, you can always try the gold pins. Power tubes on the other hand, in many amps need to be biased when you change them. Usually a job for a tech unless you're familiar with working with high voltages. I use a Bias Rite and bias my own amps. There are deadly voltages inside a tube amp.


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You are very wrong about me and assume too much.
I'm not quoting a GT ad. I use many different tubes depending on the quality and tone characteristic. I know for a fact you could not tell me a thing about a tube amp just by the way you carry yourself.
Biasing amps is one of the easiest procedures on a tube amp.
I taught my son the simple procedure when he was fourteen, he's 25 now.

You have a hard time following threads...the post you refer to about NOS tubes- reread it. I stated that the only USA tubes are NOS. Let me dumb it down- if you want a USA made tube it will have to be from a NOS inventory.



You are hung up on GT's. I have never pushed GT's. Mentioned them in my OP as an example.

You are wanting to argue facts.
Only ignorance argues facts and the :idea: never comes on.
Ignorance doesn't listen to logic either. Not an opinion- fact.

hottrod has gotten plenty of info/facts to help him along in his quest.


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I don't care for Sovtek either. My HRDlx came with Sovtek 5881's and sounded like garbage.

This statement negates your whole argument. Unnecessary to continue...so argue with yourself.

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Man, your worse than my ex wife.
Biasing an amp can be extremely dangerous if you have no electronic experience.


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Looking on in amusement..;^)
I suspect folks are going out of their way to mis-understand each other's valid points here.

Big subject tubes...and surrounded by a lot of hype in some quarters.

In some of these arguments everybody can be right.
Take gold pins. Tubes don't sound better because they have gold plated pins.
Makers will however grade and select the best production for gold plating. So the ones with gold pins will usually be amongst the best sounding production. It's better to view the upcharge as being for the selection process...so long as you trust the maker to grdae his tubes competantly ;^)
[In applications such as this the advantage of gold is not that it provides a hugely better contact than a clean ordinary pin. It does however resist corrosion and provide a better contact in the longer term. Cleaning the often blackened ordinary pins should acheive substatially the same result.
Plugging and unplugging tubes a couple of times is actually as good a way as any to keep the contact areas clean and good].


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Thanks Smoke. You put it much better than I did. That is all I ever do. Once in a while, just remove the tubes and put them back in. Once in a while I re tension the pin sockets. Gold pins may not corrode, but the pin sockets do as well as get loose negating a lot of the benefits of gold pins.
I'm an old guy and I'll tell you I've tried more gold stuff than you could ever imagine. Especially gold plugs on the patch cords. The gold eventually wears off. A good tube is a good tube. I've had tubes go for years and some fail in a couple of weeks from all kinds of manufacturers. Bottom line is get what you like, not what everyone else tells you to like. After a lot of experimentation, I came up with what works for me and my playing style, and it varies from amp to amp.
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63supro wrote:
Bottom line is get what you like, not what everyone else tells you to like. After a lot of experimentation, I came up with what works for me and my playing style, and it varies from amp to amp.


This quote here is what my second posted thread was getting at.

I agree with smoke, for the most part.
In today's market I suggest getting a good quality tube.
It helps if you know who the mfg's are and who the marketer's are.

I was done with topic...but
What do you guys think of gold relays sealed in nitrogen?

I'm having alot of success with them in mods and upgrades of certain
SS gear.

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If they work well great. What's the advantage of them? I don't do much modding. If I like the way something sounds, I'll use it. I'm not too much into solid state amps. I never seem to get what I want out of them so they never follow me home.


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63supro wrote:
If they work well great. What's the advantage of them? I don't do much modding. If I like the way something sounds, I'll use it. I'm not too much into solid state amps. I never seem to get what I want out of them so they never follow me home.


yeah!, I don't like SS amps either!! My opinion :arrow: No feeling, too sterile sounding.
I'm not using them in SS amps.

The main benefit I'm finding is that your tone stays pure and dynamic no matter what kind of pedal or how many pedals you use.
I've also used them in loop stations & A/B switching devices.

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The only pedal I use is a TS9 Tube Screamer and even that's rare. Like I said, I keep it real simple. I learned that from some of the older bluesmen I've backed through the years. They always said,"You don't need a lot of junk on the floor, just a guitar, cord and a tube amp the rest is in your soul and your fingers" It was good advice.


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63supro wrote:
They always said,"You don't need a lot of junk on the floor, just a guitar, cord and a tube amp the rest is in your soul and your fingers" It was good advice.


It really depends on the genre, and the role of the guitarist. For my type of playing, effects are a necessity. I can make it sound good without, but anything I can make sound good without, will sound GREAT with.

I rather refer to them as "tools of the trade" than "junk on the floor".
That's just me- :wink:

Anyway we are off topic and that's not fair to hottrod.

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That is true. Before I got as deep as I am now into the blues, I had a ton of pedals. They were necessary at the time due to the type of music I was playing in a cover band, like Jeff Back, Pink Floyd, etc. I sold my original Mutron III and Mutron Octave divider for a lot of money.

Anyway you're right, way off topic, sorry hotrod.
#1 thanks for the discussion.


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