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Post subject: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:21 am
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Would anyone know what is the slot for (red arrow)?

Please no flaming, as I haven't seen this on a B/F previously, thanks.



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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:32 am
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I do believe that is a 110 volt accessory outlet. My 1968 SF Showman Reverb only as a two prong outlet (I never used it).

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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:06 am
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3 prong outlet .

Like a wall outlet but for pedal board , Fender Reverb and an other amp ....This outlet is not fused , is connected directly to your wall outlets. It is like an extension cord.

Shematic here ;

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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:27 am
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If this is to be connected to the wall socket, why there is a power cord next to it?


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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:42 am
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Nikola Tesla wrote:
If this is to be connected to the wall socket, why there is a power cord next to it?


That's not I write .

In other word this outlet is connected to wall outlet BY the use of amp power cord. I write "it is like an extension cord " .
Extension cord NEED the use of power cord !

You don't not know how to read schema , if yes you'll see by yourself how this work .


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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:43 am
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Nikola Tesla wrote:
Please no flaming, as I haven't seen this on a B/F previously, thanks.


My guess is, you haven't seen too many blackface amps.

Silverfaces, neither.

That convenience outlet is present on every blackface and silverface amp ever made, save for the Champ and Vibro Champ student models. It's used to power up an accessory such as a reverb tank, echo unit, Dimension IV or (in the modern era) a pedal board......anything requiring 200 watts or less of input power.

In the case of an amp purpose-built for export to Europe or Asia, the factory would replace this convenience outlet with a multiple-input voltage selector.

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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:20 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Nikola Tesla wrote:
If this is to be connected to the wall socket, why there is a power cord next to it?


That's not I write .

In other word this outlet is connected to wall outlet BY the use of amp power cord. I write "it is like an extension cord " .
Extension cord NEED the use of power cord !

You don't not know how to read schema , if yes you'll see by yourself how this work .




I have no clue about reading schema, or anything about electronics .. I'm only a guitar player.

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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:25 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Nikola Tesla wrote:
Please no flaming, as I haven't seen this on a B/F previously, thanks.


My guess is, you haven't seen too many blackface amps.

Silverfaces, neither.

That convenience outlet is present on every blackface and silverface amp ever made, save for the Champ and Vibro Champ student models. It's used to power up an accessory such as a reverb tank, echo unit, Dimension IV or (in the modern era) a pedal board......anything requiring 200 watts or less of input power.

In the case of an amp purpose-built for export to Europe or Asia, the factory would replace this convenience outlet with a multiple-input voltage selector.

Arjay



Nice and simple explanation, thank you.

I haven't seen many fender amps at all, as I was playing everything else but Fender. Now at old age I discovered Fender amps, and was impressed with the discovery.

As for the outlet and your: " .. every blackface and silverface amp ever made. I don't know if you count re-issues there but mine TR B/F has nothing there.

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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:49 am
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I don't count the re-issues because frankly they're but a pale imitation of the original prototypes.

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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:55 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I don't count the re-issues because frankly they're but a pale imitation of the original prototypes.

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Is really the difference so drastic?

I recently bought a B/F re-issue ..it sound great, very responsive, full tone.

There is a S/F from 1970 for sale. I'll have to give it a try, to see the difference .. if really the re-issues are .. a pale imitation of the original prototypes.

Very interested .. indeed!


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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:53 pm
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Nikola Tesla wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
I don't count the re-issues because frankly they're but a pale imitation of the original prototypes.

Arjay





Is really the difference so drastic?

I recently bought a B/F re-issue ..it sound great, very responsive, full tone.

There is a S/F from 1970 for sale. I'll have to give it a try, to see the difference .. if really the re-issues are .. a pale imitation of the original prototypes.

Very interested .. indeed!


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What Arjay means...if I may be so bold. The old SF and BF amps where simply more hearty. They could take alot of abuse from the road and constant gigging. The new reissues sound good enough, but since they use circuit boards vice the old amps being wired point to point they just are not as easy to fix if they break, nor are they as solidly built (internals wise, the cabs are fine). On the old amps a schematic, a soldering iron, and some components and you could fix them, not so easy with the new ones.

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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:20 pm
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Nikola Tesla wrote:
Is really the difference so drastic?


I've been playing Fender amps for four and a half decades, Hoss.

Yes......the difference is that drastic.

And it's why buffoons can't sell their Super Reverb re-issues on Ebay for a thousand dollars yet those who know tone will glady pay two grand for an original.

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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:57 pm
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I've been playing guitars (and amps) for 4 decades now.

I can't wait to test the S/F made in 1970. If the difference is so huge I'll just buy it.

And of course, I don't care about internals, circuit boards, capacitors and the like ..

I judge by my ears, not components .. if I may.


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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:24 pm
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Post subject: Re: a question re S/F 1970
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:21 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
I don't count the re-issues because frankly they're but a pale imitation of the original prototypes.

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I agree.


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