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Post subject: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:14 pm
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My worship band would like me to mic my blues jr and run it through the sound board, so I picked up an SM57. Then our leader mentioned something about either getting a box or running a cord to an outside room and mic'ing it from there so the mic doesn't pic up an additional sound coming from the monitors (i.e. keyboards, other guitars, etc...). Need some advice.....

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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:40 pm
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Sounds to me like they basically don't want to hear the stage volume of the live amp and want to control the overall volume. This does give you a small advantage as you can now set the amp volume where it sounds best and let the sound man control things.

The box being refered to is a speaker isolation box. You put the amp and mic in it together and turn the amp up. The box is basically soundproof. They can be large and are not cheap unless you build it yourself.

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Another option are plexiglass shields that go in front to the amp and block the direct sound.

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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:00 pm
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Seems a bit extreme to me. If you use a Sennheiser e609 mic, you'll have very little sound pickup other than the amp (probably impossible to notice outside of recording). This is due to the shape of the mic. http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-SEN-E609S-LIST

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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:15 pm
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You could also try this instead of a mic
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/GI100.aspx
I have used it with my blues Jr (it sits between the speaker output and the actual speaker)
It gives you the mic'ed amp sound without a mic (so it's isolated)
This won't help if they just want you to be quieter, but it gives you good consistent predictable tone to the PA.


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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:48 pm
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IM4Tone wrote:
Seems a bit extreme to me. If you use a Sennheiser e609 mic, you'll have very little sound pickup other than the amp (probably impossible to notice outside of recording). This is due to the shape of the mic. http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-SEN-E609S-LIST


I'd spend the extra dough and get the better e906 version; it's worth the extra money IMHO. I've owned both as well as SM57's and really prefer the e906 over a e609 or a e906. With the mic lying flat on your grillcloth, it picks up very little from any other source, as confirmed from doing several years of live band multitracks. Plus, you don't need a mic stand for it - just loop the mic cable through your handle and drape it down.

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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:18 pm
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I like the tone of the Sennheiser 609, and I love the fact that you don't need a stand. But now I'm wondering if I've ever used a 906, and thought it was a 609?


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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 11:07 am
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Another option is to disonnect the internal speaker and use a silent cabinet instead. These are more for guys with head units than combos but they will still work with combos. The thing about this kind of cabinet is that it is designed for this one single porpose and the cab is therefore voiced appropriately and sounds better than putting the whole amp inside a box. They are not cheap, though.


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Personally, I despise the entire idea of castrating your amp. I have a good friend who plays on a worship team and they all put all their sound sources in isolation. Whenever I've gone to his church to hear him play, despite there being a live band playing not 20 feet away from me the whole ensemble sounds like some bad recording from the early 60's. No dynamic whatsoever. So sterile and flat and lifeless. Dead. Certainly not the kind of musical sounds one should be listening to for the purpose of putting one's mind on the glory of God. God is supposed to be life, not lifeless. I've mentioned to their music director on two occaisions that I would never play on his team for that very reason. His response both times was something to the effect that Worship time should be quiet and that God is not hard of hearing. I said, yah but he's not jumpy either and lots of the stuff we call acts of God are pretty freakishly loud.

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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:08 pm
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Good points BMW-KTM

Frankly, a lot of newer worship music or Christian rock seems lifeless to me also. I prefer groups like "Superchick", they rock and get pretty loud. The music is much more inspirational with some strong emotion and volume behind it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-goGUFT35c

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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:25 pm
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OP hasn't been back in a month. Hopefully he solved his problem. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: mic'ing a blues jr for live play questions....
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:57 pm
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I've used the Behringer GI100 and Palmer PDI09 Cabinet Simulator DI Boxes with excellent results at various venues from 100 seat rooms to 2500 seat mega-church auditoriums.

Config = BJ speaker out > Cab Sim DI box In > Cab Sim DI box thru > BJ Speaker / Cab Sim DI box XLR out > PA.

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