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Post subject: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:51 pm
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Hi all.
Im in the market for a new amp at the mo. Getting a bit discontent with my BDRi and fancy something more blackface orientated.
A 65 DRRi would fit the bill, but the lack of an effects loop is a issue.
I recently had the chance to try a Twin and it really impressed me. It werent fully cranked by any means, but the sweet clean sound was fantastic, and was an excellent base for drive pedals. And i can imagine the amp cutting lovely in a band mix.
So, after much internet scouring, the multitude of Twin type Fender amps is a bit of a confusing minefield.
I did have a 100w Supersonic head not so long ago and couldnt settle with at all. Is this model of twin related to the Supersonic at all? Obviously the supersonic has more channel options, pre amp gain etc But are there any similarities at all in the amp core voice/tone/sound for want of a better word. I ask because i hated the Twin Reverb setting on this amp.
The model im interested in is this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FENDER-TWIN-A ... 53f29c2fee

What is the general consensus of these. Any known problems or what to look out for in specific? Especially as im probably going to have to buy one blind.
Also, anyone care to give me a brief Twin history lesson please.Would be interesting to see how these amps have changed and evoloved.
Thankyou all in advance


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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:19 pm
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dc01 wrote:
Hi all.
Im in the market for a new amp at the mo. Getting a bit discontent with my BDRi and fancy something more blackface orientated.
A 65 DRRi would fit the bill, but the lack of an effects loop is a issue.
I recently had the chance to try a Twin and it really impressed me. It werent fully cranked by any means, but the sweet clean sound was fantastic, and was an excellent base for drive pedals. And i can imagine the amp cutting lovely in a band mix.
So, after much internet scouring, the multitude of Twin type Fender amps is a bit of a confusing minefield.
I did have a 100w Supersonic head not so long ago and couldnt settle with at all. Is this model of twin related to the Supersonic at all? Obviously the supersonic has more channel options, pre amp gain etc But are there any similarities at all in the amp core voice/tone/sound for want of a better word. I ask because i hated the Twin Reverb setting on this amp.
The model im interested in is this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FENDER-TWIN-A ... 53f29c2fee

What is the general consensus of these. Any known problems or what to look out for in specific? Especially as im probably going to have to buy one blind.
Also, anyone care to give me a brief Twin history lesson please.Would be interesting to see how these amps have changed and evoloved.
Thankyou all in advance



have you tried out a supersonic 222... SIMILAR power output section ...similar to a DRRI power section...clean mode turned up sweet and fendery...the gain channel has a loop (for both chans) and have two gain and a master...very versatile amp..with some good tubes (use the GT stuff for spares and such )..and possibly a speaker change...mine hasn't got 30 hours on it yet...so i will wait until it has more speaker times...

but you might like to try it out..my alternatives is a VK and some heads and cabs..so it's a go to small club amp and it takes pedals in the input as well as the loop well...

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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:49 pm
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i like the new twin with one 15 inch speaker....droolllllllll :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:02 am
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I have tried a SS 22. But I ve sort been put off the SS range from my time with the 100w SS head. Various popping and reverb noise issues. The whole experience with it was a bit of a nightmare tbh. And it's just killed my enthusiasm for the range.

The 65 twin custom looks good. But no loop. I use a delay pedal fairly often, and I'm not a fan of delay going infront of the amp, especially when combined with a drive pedal.


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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:23 am
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My SS Twin is Great, but you must obviuosly find a twin amp that works for you.

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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:52 pm
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What's wrong with the TRRI? No effects loop? Don't let that stop you. Twin Reverbs take pedals just fine and when you want clean and LOUD for that stadium tour, it's top of the line.

Lot's of people have been gigging with them with no issues. Don't get all crazy and kick it over every night though. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:22 pm
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The Twin Reverb is a throwback to the days when guitarists needed 80+ watts to be heard on stage because PA systems were primitive at best and usually reserved for vocals. It's very clean, almost ultralinear, so any breakup wouldn't be from the amp, it would be from pedals. It's also really heavy.
Most people buy one & realize too late it's way too much amp for them, both from a volume perspective and a weight issue. It's why so many are for sale at local GC's and eBay. I would avoid.

Deluxe Reverb is the most giggable amp Fender has and sounds great. 6V6 tubes love to be pushed and the amp sounds better as you get into power tube distortion (the 6L6 in the Twin never get there. Don't try or your ears will be still bleeding after you've been served an eviction notice). Deluxe Reverbs also have the same great reverb, and yes, they do sound good clean and at lower volumes. Plus you can carry a DR in one hand. 22 watts is also enough for bars and for bigger shows, a microphone through the PA will make it plenty loud.

While the pro series amps don't have effects loops, don't let this sway you - many top musicians are still and have been playing fine through Fenders for decades without them. So we're clear, why specifically do you think you need an effects loop? I have a pedalboard with wah, boost, overdrive, fuzz, phaser, delay, chorus, delay, and have never had any issues going straight into the input of my Fenders.

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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:21 am
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I ve generally found that time based effects, combined with overdrive pedals can get a bit mushy when its all going infront of the amp.
I'm not disputing that it doesn't work well. I just can't get it to. :oops:
My current set up with my BDRI is;
T Rex Alberta,TS9, MI audio crunch box in the front.
DD5, Tonebug Reverb, GE7 eq in the loop.
That's it. Quite simple but covers the bases I need.
What way round would you suggest if I was going to run these all into the front of the amp.
If I can find a way that works well, I agree that a DRRI is the way to go.

But I will say that my normal sound is based on a sweet clean sound with bit of headroom.
With pedals for drive needs.
Not sure if the 22w will give me the clean headroom I need.
Especially with our sometimes over enthusiastic drummer.


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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:58 pm
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I would also be interested in your opinions with regards to reliability and general sound/tone quality is better. I know that is very subjective though.
The twin I linked two in my first post, which I believe is from the pro tube series.
Or the 65 twin reverb reissue.
Thanks in advance.


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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:24 am
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I lugged a 100 watt 76 Twin around for over 30 years. It was serious overkill for most situations. It weighed a ton too. Great sounding amps. Didn't need an effects loop. It already has reverb and tremolo and any other effects just went in the chain.

Today, I don't do outdoor gigs much anymore, and 20-30 watts is fine for almost all but the largest rooms. Keeping a good balanced stage volume is the key to a good sound anyway, then let the sound guy take care of the rest. If I were going with a Twin, I'd go with a nice 70's Silverface and skip the bells and whistles. But seriously I'd go with a DRRI or something similar.

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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:18 pm
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I ve also started considering a Super Reverb Reissue.
I know there voiced differently, but how does the clean head room of a SRRi compare to a BDRI. ?
Also, how does the 4x10 compare tonally to the 2x12 TRRi.
Sorry for the questions but try to get as much info as I can.


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Post subject: Re: Advice please. Twin opinions?
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:22 am
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Right. Following a day of much reading and listening, I've got it down to a 65 TRRI. Or a 65 TR Custom 15.
From what I can gather there essentially the same amp but with a 1x15 in place of a 2x12.
What are the pro and cons of the single 15 over the 2x12 as regards to bass response, mids ,sound spread, how they respond to pedals etc.
thanks.


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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:05 am
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dc01 wrote:
Right. Following a day of much reading and listening, I've got it down to a 65 TRRI. Or a 65 TR Custom 15.
From what I can gather there essentially the same amp but with a 1x15 in place of a 2x12.
What are the pro and cons of the single 15 over the 2x12 as regards to bass response, mids ,sound spread, how they respond to pedals etc.
thanks.


I had a Vibrosonic an EARLY 70's silverface twin with a 15" in it and a master vol..HOLY i lived on a third floor...and too stooooopid to get a hand cart...for YEARS 3-4 nights a week gigs..HEAVY (but you're a roadie so no big deal)

Twins are the go to amp for honky tonk and such...and for clearing bar room floors

my preferred floor cleaning device when i was a pro....(country) was a BF super reverb and it sounded GREAT...had to mic it at fairs (didn't with the twin/vibro) and a great blues amp AND with a tele, on the bridge pup and a twin or super turned up...you can clear a dance floor or fill it...

but my best sounding amp (iv'e had a slew of boogies, fenders and such but i REALLY like the Rivera 55/12 i HAD...will get another...i sold my mark IV which i loved to get that amp...and it would drive a 4x12 cab wonderfully..... :mrgreen:

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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:23 pm
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The right fifteen mated to a Twin Reverb is an excellent combination -- sonically similar in many respects to the original Showman.

I don't put much faith in the Eminence Commonwealth that comes stock in the Custom 15 Twin Reverb though.

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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:31 pm
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If I go down the road of the Custom 15.
What speaker would you suggest to get the best from the amp?

Obviously would have to be one that's available in the UK.


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