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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:50 pm
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Just opened the box and went to try my new Super Sonic 22 amp. Even with the clean volume set at only one I get uncontrollable feedback as soon as I turn the reverb up, the higher the reverb the more feedback I get. Very depressing. Brand new USA amp it doesn't even work correctly right out of the box?

Has anyone else experienced the same problems?


Yes, it happened to me. I bought it @ GC in early January. When I first plugged in, it was dead. It came with two bad tubes which GC replaced. I took it home, but I took it back because the reverb was screaming above 4. The tech @ GC did look at the reverb tank and we found some pin that was obviously affecting the spring movement in the tank. After placing the rubber washer so the pin was in the central position, the reverb worked better and didn't howl until it was above 6.

This was unacceptable, but I hoped for a miracle conversion, which didn't occur for over 2.5 weeks. I returned it under the 30 day return policy. I got a second amp, another SS22, which I just plugged in and played without issues. It's sitting in my apartment, near where I work, begging me to play. My neighbor would be mortified if I did. I am glad I persevered because this amp is just balls out great!

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:11 pm
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I have a Super Sonic 60 combo. Bought it about a year and a half ago (. I've barely got 20 hours into it because I generally use my old Pro-reverb. Now I'm getting feedback from the reverb even with volume off on both channels. Any ideas?
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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:42 pm
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Ditch the SS60 and stick with your old Pro Reverb.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:30 am
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As for all the shipping nonsense. If it can't hold up in shipping, it ain't gonna hold up to giging. This stuff is what made me start building my own gear.

Fender either needs to design and build them better, or go back to the glory days of hand wiring and turret boards. But even then, it's only as good as the person building and testing it.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:50 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Ditch the SS60 and stick with your old Pro Reverb.

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Arjay, use this 'smiley' next time, it's so appropriate:

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:39 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Ditch the SS60 and stick with your old Pro Reverb.

:mrgreen:

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+1,000 Got that right! There's been way too many reports of problems. I tried the SS 22 out in GC when they first came out with nothing but high hopes and the amp not only hissed like a bag of snakes, but when I pushed it past 4 on the volume dial the tone went right out the window. Fender needs to stop fixing stuff that isn't broken to start with. Gain, Overdrive and effects should be left to the people who do it best like Marshall, Mesa etc. Fender had an incredible amp reputation until all the suits got involved. Right now their amps are worse than pretty much anything the CBS era came up with. The difference is, the CBS era amps had sloppy lead dress but were way more reliable. I never had a Silverface Fender amp crap out on me. Not even once, and I was a reckless kid in the 70's. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:15 pm
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63supro wrote:
Fender needs to stop fixing stuff that isn't broken to start with. Gain, Overdrive and effects should be left to the people who do it best like Marshall, Mesa etc. Fender had an incredible amp reputation until all the suits got involved. Right now their amps are worse than pretty much anything the CBS era came up with. The difference is, the CBS era amps had sloppy lead dress but were way more reliable. I never had a Silverface Fender amp crap out on me. Not even once, and I was a reckless kid in the 70's.


Preach it, bruthah!

I recollect with fondness the era in which a Fender was considered to be the Sherman Tank of musical instrument amplification.

Now they build Fiat's.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:26 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
63supro wrote:
Fender needs to stop fixing stuff that isn't broken to start with. Gain, Overdrive and effects should be left to the people who do it best like Marshall, Mesa etc. Fender had an incredible amp reputation until all the suits got involved. Right now their amps are worse than pretty much anything the CBS era came up with. The difference is, the CBS era amps had sloppy lead dress but were way more reliable. I never had a Silverface Fender amp crap out on me. Not even once, and I was a reckless kid in the 70's.


Preach it, bruthah!

I recollect with fondness the era in which a Fender was considered to be the Sherman Tank of musical instrument amplification.

Now they build Fiat's.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:09 pm
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I recently bought one on Ebay... am loving it so far! Does not appear to have this reverb issue. The Ebay seller offered refunds however, so I suppose he was not trying to slide off a defective amp!

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:43 pm
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My 2011 Supersonic Twin sounds great, but I have swapped tubes and tinkered with the reverb pan.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:56 pm
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As for all the shipping nonsense. If it can't hold up in shipping, it ain't gonna hold up to giging. This stuff is what made me start building my own gear.

Fender either needs to design and build them better, or go back to the glory days of hand wiring and turret boards. But even then, it's only as good as the person building and testing it.


BS! UPS can damage or destroy any amp, even the vaunted vintage ones. The glory days, or "blurry days" for some, wouldn't stand up to modern United Package Smashers. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:15 pm
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UPS can damage or destroy any amp, even the vaunted vintage ones.


An indisputable fact.

However, the amps designed and built by Leo stand a far better chance of survival at that hands of those knuckle-draggers.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:26 am
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63supro wrote:
As for all the shipping nonsense. If it can't hold up in shipping, it ain't gonna hold up to giging. This stuff is what made me start building my own gear.

Fender either needs to design and build them better, or go back to the glory days of hand wiring and turret boards. But even then, it's only as good as the person building and testing it.


BS! UPS can damage or destroy any amp, even the vaunted vintage ones. The glory days, or "blurry days" for some, wouldn't stand up to modern United Package Smashers. :wink:


I'm no newb when it comes to UPS and FedEx. I spend thousands of dollars a year on photo equipment and supplies for my photography business, most of it way more complicated and fragile than a tube amp. Matter of fact, I just had a new $2,000 24" Canon printer delivered two weeks ago. I've had stuff damaged. If the package comes damaged, I don't accept it. Pretty simple huh? :wink: Do you really think shippers were any different way back. I worked for a shipping company when I got out of high school in the 70's, and I'll tell you what, we were a bunch of knuckle draggers back then too.
But, how do you think these amps get to stores in the first place, the amp fairy? :lol:

You can't fault the shipper for not only a bad amp design and poor factory packaging. I'm not saying it never happens, it does. But you can't always blame shipping. I never buy amps online anyway. To me it's just a waste not to hear your own guitar through the amp. Way back when I was a kid, I accidentally pulled my Vibrolux Reverb over because I wrapped my cord around the amps handle so I couldn't pull the cord out. It fell face down, it was on too. Absolutely no damage, no tube breakage, nothing. If I didn't have a right angle plug in the input, I think It would have ended differently. There's no way all these amps having problems are from shipping. It's lack of QC period!

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:41 am
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63supro wrote:
It's lack of QC period!


Poor design and slipshod manufacturing play a significant role as well.

If it didn't, this thread (and the hundreds of other similar diatribes) wouldn't exist.

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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:50 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
63supro wrote:
It's lack of QC period!


Poor design and slipshod manufacturing play a significant role as well.

If it didn't, this thread (and the hundreds of other similar diatribes) wouldn't exist.

Arjay


Absolutely!
Hey Arjay, I've been checking out a bunch of these revived Supro amps and they're really, really nice USA built amps for the money. I'm thinking about building one because I want a hand wired amp, but these repros sound great and really affordable too.

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