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Post subject: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:33 pm
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Just opened the box and went to try my new Super Sonic 22 amp. Even with the clean volume set at only one I get uncontrollable feedback as soon as I turn the reverb up, the higher the reverb the more feedback I get. Very depressing. Brand new USA amp it doesn't even work correctly right out of the box?

Has anyone else experienced the same problems?


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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:38 pm
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Has anyone else experienced the same problems?


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Take it back to the store and exchange it.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:45 pm
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The advice given by Retroverbial might be the best. It is possible that one of the reverb tubes is microphonic. If you have a spare known good 12AT7, you could try substituting in V3 (reverb driver), or a known good 12AX7 substituted in V4 (half of the tube for reverb recovery). If a tube isn't the problem, replace the stock tube(s) and see above post. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:02 pm
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I ordered the amp from Sweetwater so I'll just return it. Not sure if I will even get another one after reading some reviews on various sites and all the negative feedback on the Musicians Friend site. It's obvious that no one even checked this amp at Fender or Sweetwater. My friend got a Behringer amp for Christmas and even it works fine. Where has the quality control gone at Fender? Obviously out the window. I'll stick with my Boogie and just run the Tech 21 Blonde pedal through the effects loop when I want a Fender amp tone. Those pedals are amazingly close to an actual Fender amp, and my 1989 Boogie Mk IV is as reliable today as it was when I took it out of the box 24 years ago and it worked properly as a new amp should.


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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:48 am
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This is a common known defect for this amp. Fender acknowledges it in one of their tech. pubs to their authorized repair centers. You could either exchange it @ Sweetwater, or take it to the nearest warranty center and have it fixed for free.

Very frustrating that things like this occur in brand new amps, but this particular defect is well documentated.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:33 am
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IM4Tone wrote:
This is a common known defect for this amp. Fender acknowledges it in one of their tech. pubs to their authorized repair centers. You could either exchange it @ Sweetwater, or take it to the nearest warranty center and have it fixed for free.

Very frustrating that things like this occur in brand new amps, but this particular defect is well documentated.


Which begets the obvious question......

If corporate knows about this issue, why isn't it fixed before the amps are shipped to dealers, saving the poor shlub who buys one a $1469.99 case of heartburn?

:?: :?: :?:

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:21 am
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It probably is, but maybe that takes a while to get through the pipeline. Plus there are amps already out there.

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:07 am
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littlemountainguitar wrote:
... It's obvious that no one even checked this amp at Fender or Sweetwater...


In all fairness, if it is a tube issue, this is quite common and most often from the beating taken during shipping. The amp could have worked fine before shipping from Fender to wherever, and then shipped to the customer. Just a possibility, and I believe that we shouldn't jump to conclusions before we know the actual problem. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:45 am
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My local music store had this same model of amp and had to send it to the repair shop to have the reverb fixed. Sounds like a very common problem that Fender knows about. You would think they would have solved the issue by now. One of my students purchased a 65' DRRI earlier this year and it had an entirely different set of problems right out of the box involving the footswitch not working properly with the reverb. Very unfortunate for a product built in the USA. Sweetwater is sending me a new amp. If this one is faulty I'm giving up.


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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:29 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
IM4Tone wrote:
This is a common known defect for this amp. Fender acknowledges it in one of their tech. pubs to their authorized repair centers. You could either exchange it @ Sweetwater, or take it to the nearest warranty center and have it fixed for free.

Very frustrating that things like this occur in brand new amps, but this particular defect is well documentated.


Which begets the obvious question......

If corporate knows about this issue, why isn't it fixed before the amps are shipped to dealers, saving the poor shlub who buys one a $1469.99 case of heartburn?

:?: :?: :?:

Arjay

Yes, and even if they were shipped prior to Fender's knowledge, why not a recall or 100% inspection of the dealer's stock? Guess the hard cold facts are that it is cheaper (in the short run) for Fender to let their customers sort thru and find the defective ones. That is of course discounting customer satisfaction. :(

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:06 pm
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A week and and a half and Sweetwater still hasn't sent me my replacement tube for the reverb to see if that is the problem. I am able to use the amp with my Boss Digital Reverb pedal in the meantime. Now I am getting a high pitched vibration out of the amp, it is very annoying. I'm just going to demand a replacement, or I may just ask for my money back and forget about this amp after reading all the other bad feedback. Just go to the Musicians Friend review page. Too bad, it's a good sounding amp, if only they cold build them properly.


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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:43 pm
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littlemountainguitar wrote:
Too bad, it's a good sounding amp, if only they cold build them properly.


+1

It is 'too bad' but shimmilou makes a poignant observation about the rough handling these amps experience while in transit from dealer to customer. UPS seems to be the worst offender......they should prolly change their motto to "What can brown do to you?".

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:07 pm
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littlemountainguitar wrote:
I ordered the amp from Sweetwater so I'll just return it. Not sure if I will even get another one after reading some reviews on various sites and all the negative feedback on the Musicians Friend site. It's obvious that no one even checked this amp at Fender or Sweetwater. My friend got a Behringer amp for Christmas and even it works fine. Where has the quality control gone at Fender? Obviously out the window. I'll stick with my Boogie and just run the Tech 21 Blonde pedal through the effects loop when I want a Fender amp tone. Those pedals are amazingly close to an actual Fender amp, and my 1989 Boogie Mk IV is as reliable today as it was when I took it out of the box 24 years ago and it worked properly as a new amp should.


:mrgreen: Little, it's a great little amp i love mine (just posted some stuff and major posting coming soon) the 22 has served me well mic'd, wide open on the clean channel or set for a nice crunch...i have done a few things...and i re-tubed after a year and the little thing kicks booty as well as my old mesa .22 cal (studio). I use 6201's in the 12AT7's a quieter tube that is a premium 12AT7 (basically)

I have had fenders shipped to me and two failures (groove tubs not the amp) and once re-tubed rock...deluxe reverb had a blown 6V6.. probably from mechanical shock during shipping :shock: none of my mesa's arrived DOA 8)

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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:44 pm
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IM4Tone wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
IM4Tone wrote:
This is a common known defect for this amp. Fender acknowledges it in one of their tech. pubs to their authorized repair centers. You could either exchange it @ Sweetwater, or take it to the nearest warranty center and have it fixed for free.

Very frustrating that things like this occur in brand new amps, but this particular defect is well documentated.


Which begets the obvious question......

If corporate knows about this issue, why isn't it fixed before the amps are shipped to dealers, saving the poor shlub who buys one a $1469.99 case of heartburn?

:?: :?: :?:

Arjay

Yes, and even if they were shipped prior to Fender's knowledge, why not a recall or 100% inspection of the dealer's stock? Guess the hard cold facts are that it is cheaper (in the short run) for Fender to let their customers sort thru and find the defective ones. That is of course discounting customer satisfaction. :(


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Post subject: Re: Super Sonic 22 Reverb problem
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:00 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
littlemountainguitar wrote:
Too bad, it's a good sounding amp, if only they cold build them properly.


+1

It is 'too bad' but shimmilou makes a poignant observation about the rough handling these amps experience while in transit from dealer to customer. UPS seems to be the worst offender......they should prolly change their motto to "What can brown do to you?".

:evil:

Arjay


Yeah i find it surprising that fender in all these years have issues with reverb, sure the GT-C tube suck, unless the gig doesn't require tone..and i have had nothing but issues when i buy amps with current GT tubes..but i re-tubed did some work (much of it anal) and stuff and it's doing fine...if my toad friend would get his butt here on time (coming from another island) then we dig into the testing.....sucks a RARE nice COLD but clear NW day to be inside doing the nerd dance!

Quality product>quality customer service and the buyers will come :D ...i have an issue with the nut on a CS limited run esquire that when i got it the nut was superb best nut job i every had.....pause. :oops:

but alas i was gigging one night and the 6th string popped the nut at the 6th sting slot and the remnants shot out the top as i played and number 6 went buzz buzz buzz...took it to the local fender repair dude...i bought this over priced but NICE esquire from...he just stuck an off the shelf nut in it..it wasn't dressed, polished nor was it the right height :evil: ....so i call fender custom to get it fixed, meaning i am happy to fly the guitar down there...and the guy on the phone just rattled me...had no idea what or who he was chatting with...it was noted! :mrgreen: fed me a line of poo...i'm 59+ and have been at it since 12....long time ago..not talking to a kid....nor a poor one. (geeked at Microsoft since 85..ya know? :? 8)

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