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Post subject: What Can I do to My Blues Jr. for more growl(Harp player)
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:27 pm
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Whats the trick to getting more of a growl .More Blues sounding.


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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:35 pm
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You might find something here:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/machrone/bluesjunior.htm

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:27 am
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Okay don't laugh but here is an old trick: take a razor blade and put a slice in your speaker cone. This was a way to get a distorted sound back in the early days.


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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:30 am
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chris63 wrote:
Okay don't laugh but here is an old trick: take a razor blade and put a slice in your speaker cone. This was a way to get a distorted sound back in the early days.


Never heard of that.

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:34 am
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I'm totally serious Chet!


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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:18 am
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"I was fed up with the guitar sounds of the time so I got an amp from the local radio shop and got a razor blade and sliced the cone of the speaker."
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:21 am
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"In the early 60s, the Kinks Dave Davies sliced up his little green amps speaker cone with razor blades in an attempt to create a wild distortion effect. It worked, and You Really Got Me became a worldwide hit!"

"He ran the Elpico amplifier's speaker output leads through a Vox AC30 speaker, then slashed the speaker cone of the Elpico to produce the buzzing, distorted sound of "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All of the Night," the two hits that launched the band's career. The sound evolved into what became known as heavy metal and kicked off a catalog that is one of the deepest, quirkiest and most-covered in rock & roll history."


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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:33 pm
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i have herd of this u have to make rather fine insisions tho

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Post subject: More growl?
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:56 pm
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A lot of it has to do with the harp you're playin'. The rest of it has to do with the mixer and bending your notes. Be sure you're playing the right harp. You get what you pay for. Paul Butterfield played an unforgattable style while one of the pioneers of blues harp,"Little Walter" led the way.
He didn't have anything but ingenuity and feel for his genious.

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:19 pm
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I would listen to what Chris63 has to say. I have always played by bending and pulling and playing different keys.

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Very Interesting, but I'm not cutting up my speakers.

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Try a 12DW7 in V3, the phase inverter position. This unbalances the drive to the output tubes and gives more growl, more thickness to the tone.

Also, the Billm tone stack mod will give you more bottom end response, as will stiffening the power supply with a second 47uF cap.

You may actually want lessgain than the stock preamp offers. Try a 12AY7 in V1 in conjunction with the other mods.


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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:20 am
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machrone wrote:
Try a 12DW7 in V3, the phase inverter position. This unbalances the drive to the output tubes and gives more growl, more thickness to the tone.

Also, the Billm tone stack mod will give you more bottom end response, as will stiffening the power supply with a second 47uF cap.

You may actually want lessgain than the stock preamp offers. Try a 12AY7 in V1 in conjunction with the other mods.


I went with a 5751 in V1 to change the tone.

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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:44 am
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I would not take anyones advice that advises you to take my advice! j/k


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The stock-tubed BJ with it's 12" speaker is not an ideal harp amp. Also at levels where you start to feedback, it actually is a bit too clean for the proper honk tone. And just cranking gain with the master down is a hideous sound.

The above tube swaps are good, a classic improvement for harp tone. Also going to JJs will give you a slightly denser, more harmonically-rich tone which breaks up a little earlier.

Ideally, just blow through something small and Class A like a Champ 600 or an Epiphone Valve Jr. Harps sound great through Class A where you get the power staged soaked and little speakers --that's critical. Little Walter got all his great tones through that type of amp (6-8" speakers) starting back in the 40's. If you're on stage, mic it up just like the guitar players mic their amps into the PA.

Make sure you have a good harp mic like a Shure Green Bullet or a Hohner BluesBlaster (based on the old classic Astatic cartridge). There is this new Audix Fireball harp mic but it's way too clean--you want the cartridge to get a little overblown and skanky sounding with a limited midrange response. And always get a mic with a volume control--you're operating so close to feedback level all the time you have to tweak levels constantly, and it makes going from background to lead much easier.

I strongly recommend a Golden Melody (formerly Navy Band) harmonica over the the old Marine Band harps. The plastic won't swell and cut your lips, and they're much tighter and play better. The expensive Lee Oskars are of course good too.

Boogie on!


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