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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:45 pm
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I am also one who doesn't see any sense in attenuating an amp of that size. Why fight with an amps sweet spot?


I have a 40 watt 5F6A Bassman clone, a 40 watt Blues Deluxe Reissue, a 25 watt Frontman 25R, and a 5 watt Champion 600. Guess which two I play the most at home? :lol:


I like how you said "most" of the time. I am sure it does become difficult to resist the other two. :lol:


But you didn't guess and I bet you would guess wrong. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:48 pm
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The 600 and the 25R? :?:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:07 pm
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The 600 and the 25R? :?:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



No.



But you probably already knew that. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:05 pm
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:lol:

I'm a baaaaad boy!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:44 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
Guess what? You'll find a post complaining about every attenuator on the market. So I guess you can just ignore my suggestion and find one you like on your own. Good luck.


Did I step on your toes somewhere ?

Look, i have googled, everybody knows how to google, a 3 year old child can google.
We are all very proud that you discovered google as well but I would like to go a little deeper into this subject instead... no disrespect towards you, but you have 0 experience in this matter. I am not asking for people to google for me.
What I'm asking is the opinion from people who have experience with attenuators, not people who name up an attenuator from the first hit in google without any knowledge.

You will find good and bad opinions about attenuators on every forum, that's true.
I am aware of this. Like I said, a 3 year old child can google.
That there will be cons to every attenuator is more then probable... that's not the issue.
But it's not easy to find people who have experience with more then 1 attenuator, somewhone who can sum up the pros and cons from multiple models/types, people who are able to compare them and give good advice and so on.
It's even harder to find such a person that has this kind of experience combined with the fender blues jr amp... are you getting the picture ?
Chances are if you DO find those people with google, they are old threads where you can not start a discussion or ask questions, so I start a new thread and search for experienced people.

And at last, if you don't use attenuators, it's pretty obvious which amp you will be using at home... I don't need to google for that also. We all understand that this is a rhetorical question ...but if you would actually have and use an attenuator then the chance is probable that your most used amps for home usage would change, isn't it ?

Don't worry, everybody makes mistakes, learn from them ;)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:37 am
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4ntiClock wrote:
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Guess what? You'll find a post complaining about every attenuator on the market. So I guess you can just ignore my suggestion and find one you like on your own. Good luck.


Did I step on your toes somewhere ?

Look, i have googled, everybody knows how to google, a 3 year old child can google.
We are all very proud that you discovered google as well but I would like to go a little deeper into this subject instead... no disrespect towards you, but you have 0 experience in this matter. I am not asking for people to google for me.
What I'm asking is the opinion from people who have experience with attenuators, not people who name up an attenuator from the first hit in google without any knowledge.

You will find good and bad opinions about attenuators on every forum, that's true.
I am aware of this. Like I said, a 3 year old child can google.
That there will be cons to every attenuator is more then probable... that's not the issue.
But it's not easy to find people who have experience with more then 1 attenuator, somewhone who can sum up the pros and cons from multiple models/types, people who are able to compare them and give good advice and so on.
It's even harder to find such a person that has this kind of experience combined with the fender blues jr amp... are you getting the picture ?
Chances are if you DO find those people with google, they are old threads where you can not start a discussion or ask questions, so I start a new thread and search for experienced people.

And at last, if you don't use attenuators, it's pretty obvious which amp you will be using at home... I don't need to google for that also. We all understand that this is a rhetorical question ...but if you would actually have and use an attenuator then the chance is probable that your most used amps for home usage would change, isn't it ?

Don't worry, everybody makes mistakes, learn from them ;)


I build and repair amps. I know how attenuators are designed and what the impacts of those designs are on amplifier performance. I also know what attenuators have been recommended and used by others. Bottom line: I don't need to use an attenuator to know and understand them or recommend them.

Yep, everybody makes mistakes. Maybe you might learn something from yours but I somehow doubt it.

Buh-bye and good luck finding an attenuator that doesn't have a negative comment about it.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:02 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
I build and repair amps. I know how attenuators are designed and what the impacts of those designs are on amplifier performance. I also know what attenuators have been recommended and used by others. Bottom line: I don't need to use an attenuator to know and understand them or recommend them.

Yep, everybody makes mistakes. Maybe you might learn something from yours but I somehow doubt it.

Buh-bye and good luck finding an attenuator that doesn't have a negative comment about it.


Who ever said I am looking for an attenuator that doesn't have a negative comment about it ? Where is that written ? Are you having problems reading or understanding ?

In this case I was asking what your experience was with this "cutting the heighs from tone" comment written about this particular model.
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read a post that it takes the highs of the tone ... experience with this thing ?


Now, for someone who claims to know everything about attenuators and amps, I wouldn't expect an answer like
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You read a post? Like a single one? You asked for recommendations, I gave you one. Google "guitar amp attenuators". You'll find plenty of them out there in all price ranges.


So, instead of answering in a polite useful way you stick your nose high up in the air and come with an attitude that is not appreciated.

"Buh-bye and goodluck"... really ? serious ? Come on... don't give up ;)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:28 am
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4ntiClock,

bluesky636 is really just trying to help, and he knows a thing or two about amps. The attenuator brand that he referenced has been discussed on the forum at length and has been recommended by others already. Take his advice or not, but chill and at least consider that he is a well educated and well respected forum member. IMO, you won't find much better advice than what we have here. Great group. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:48 am
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shimmilou wrote:
4ntiClock,

bluesky636 is really just trying to help, and he knows a thing or two about amps. The attenuator brand that he referenced has been discussed on the forum at length and has been recommended by others already. Take his advice or not, but chill and at least consider that he is a well educated and well respected forum member. IMO, you won't find much better advice than what we have here. Great group. 8)


Sorry to disagree, but his answer after my question about cutting heighs didn't sound that well educated and respectful to me. I don't like contemptuous behavior and will respond to that :) It's not because somebody knows a thing or two he has the right to be with his nose in the air.

If he would reply in the same respectful way you are doing he would get the same respectful treatment back... I was assuming he likes this kind of sneering :)

I will forget the issue and "chill" after all people deserve 2nd chances ;)

Now, can we get back on topic please ?
I would also like to know all that information about attenuators :)
Hit me....with info...;)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:13 am
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I have been guilty of taking things the wrong way myself. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean, say-no-more.

Have you tried searching this forum for "attenuators"? Might be info overload. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:49 am
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shimmilou wrote:
I have been guilty of taking things the wrong way myself. Wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean, say-no-more.

Have you tried searching this forum for "attenuators"? Might be info overload. :wink:


yes I have, on several fora.
I was more searching on which one to use for this specific amp (and if it makes sence)
Not a lot about that to find.
The weber mass I have also already found and will take it in concideration, but I would like to hear for example sound samples or some experiences, pros and cons.

For now we are so far :
-Fender blues jr. will sound best when cranked
-when cranked = too loud
-Small fender amp has small speaker
-small fender with small speaker can be cranked, but will not sound like a bigger amp with bigger speaker that is cranked on lower volume. (correct ?)
-weber minimass is advised, it also has cons (but don't ask why)
-there are a lot of attenuators out there... and all of them are crap :)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:17 pm
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Hi 4nticlock,

I've a feeling that the better attenuators out there are stepping into the price range of the Blues Jr itself.. and for that type of investment why not spend a little more and just get a silverface champ?

I know you have the Blackstar, but for Fender tones at lower volumes I don't think you'll beat a nice Champ. I mean, that's what it's designed for.

In summary:
Cranked Champ > Attenuated Blues Jr at the same volume, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Actually, in this opinion, SF Champ > Blues Jr :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:21 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
But you didn't guess and I bet you would guess wrong. :lol:


Indeed I would have! I'm the same way about my AC15 and AC4. House occupants and neighbours will just have to enjoy. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:18 pm
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Toronado wrote:
Hi 4nticlock,

I've a feeling that the better attenuators out there are stepping into the price range of the Blues Jr itself.. and for that type of investment why not spend a little more and just get a silverface champ?

I know you have the Blackstar, but for Fender tones at lower volumes I don't think you'll beat a nice Champ. I mean, that's what it's designed for.

In summary:
Cranked Champ > Attenuated Blues Jr at the same volume, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

Actually, in this opinion, SF Champ > Blues Jr :lol:


i was looking at a champ 600 before but it has really small speaker.
There are other kind of champs, haven't tried them, all look to have small speakers no ?
Can you have a clean fat sound at low volume with these champs ?

Anyway the champ 600 looked really little and not a lot of options.
Other champs are really not that cheap here in Europe.

the "SPL reducer" attenuater was adviced by someone and is half of the price of my fender blues jr. The minimass is even cheaper ... like 1/4 of the price of an fender blues jr.

My HT1-R sounds great, but only trough headset, speaker is too small.
And yes, i want the fender tones.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Blues JR - Attenuator
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:22 am
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and a 5 watt tube amp cranked.... is still freaking loud man.


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