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Post subject: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:28 pm
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In Canada today Blues Deluxe RI sells for $ 769.

In a 1970 Fender Catalog, a Fender Deluxe Reverb (Blackface) is used to sell at $ 399. After some research I found $ 399 in 1970 is 6.73 times higher in 2011 then $ 2.692.

So to buy an amp that worth $ 399 in 1970, you had to pay $ 2.692 in 2011.
No wonder that at this price, our old amp are indestructible and with a good tone.

I would say that $ 769 for a Blues Deluxe RI is perhaps a lot of money, but for a "good" amp is maybe not enough. We see evidence often. Maybe that's why some "Boutique" hadmade amp exist.

If we're "back to the futur" in 1970, would you pay $2,692 to Leo tho buy one of his Deluxe reverb or one on his Strat at $3,700 ? or $4,142 in 1960 ?

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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:00 pm
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INFLATION....sucks doesn't it. back in 1916 you could get several acres of land for less than $70. and gas used to cost .25 cents a gallon about 50 years ago. of corse back in 1916 you were a ritch man if you made .75 cents a day. today millionares aren't even ritch.


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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:55 pm
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If we're "back to the futur" in 1970, would you pay $2,692 to Leo tho buy one of his Deluxe reverb or one on his Strat at $3,700 ? or $4,142 in 1960 ?


Not coincidentally, those are pretty close to today's prices for that very same gear.

I remember buying my first new Fender amp in August of '67 -- a silverface Super Reverb that I paid $225 for, plus a '64 blackface Concert Amp as a partial trade. Today, I wish I still had them both.

Alas......who knew?

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:24 pm
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I was one of those TQM trainers back in the early 90's. TQM stands for Total Quality Management which harps heavily on employee involvement, creative problem solving and getting the people who actually do the job to have a voice since they tend to know they're job better than any manager they report to.

IMO, there is no cost of quality, only the price of non conformance. But what do I know? Or Ed Demming or Phillip Crosby?

In today's manufacturing model, it's all about "Lean", Black Belts, Six Sigma, 5S, Kaizian, which is all management driven leaving the skilled shop floor workers behind.

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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:49 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
If we're "back to the futur" in 1970, would you pay $2,692 to Leo tho buy one of his Deluxe reverb or one on his Strat at $3,700 ? or $4,142 in 1960 ?


Not coincidentally, those are pretty close to today's prices for that very same gear.

I remember buying my first new Fender amp in August of '67 -- a silverface Super Reverb that I paid $225 for, plus a '64 blackface Concert Amp as a partial trade. Today, I wish I still had them both.

Alas......who knew?

:(

Arjay



Yes price today are close ...for the amp but not for the Strat !

In 63 my brother buy a used Strat natural blonde ( year unknow ) $175 . He loose it '80 !!!!!!


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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:09 pm
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In today's manufacturing model, it's all about "Lean", Black Belts, Six Sigma, 5S, Kaizian, which is all management driven leaving the skilled shop floor workers behind.


+1

I was middle-management for over two decades in a tip-of-the-spear "industry" that's vital to the nation and its interests. If I failed to achieve a 115% level of performance every 24/7/365, people died.

Few at today's corporate level seem to care that off-shore competitors are cleaning our clocks in virtually every commercial industry from agriculture to manufacturing. Sad, really......

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:51 pm
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Today's DRRI lists for $1399. If it were hand wired like they were in 1970 it would list for $2,600 or higher easily. Just look at the list price of the Vibro-King Custom at $4,999.

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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:46 pm
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I've been spouting the inflation conversion for years. My 72 Strat was $285 new. that's around $1200 in today's dollars. The amps we bought years ago were worth every penny. Not like the destined to become landfill after the warranty runs out stuff we see today. From what I remember, I think the warranty on my 65 Vibrolux Reverb was a year and I never used it. In the 20 years or so I owned it, it never saw a repair shop. I hope it blew up on the bastard that stole it and he was electrocuted. :shock: That was one of the finest sounding amps I ever owned.

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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:10 pm
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I hope it blew up on the bastard that stole it and he was electrocuted. :shock: That was one of the finest sounding amps I ever owned.


An altogether fitting and proper fate for such a nefarious poltroon.

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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:28 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Hou-Tex wrote:
In today's manufacturing model, it's all about "Lean", Black Belts, Six Sigma, 5S, Kaizian, which is all management driven leaving the skilled shop floor workers behind.


+1

I was middle-management for over two decades in a tip-of-the-spear "industry" that's vital to the nation and its interests. If I failed to achieve a 115% level of performance every 24/7/365, people died.

Few at today's corporate level seem to care that off-shore competitors are cleaning our clocks in virtually every commercial industry from agriculture to manufacturing. Sad, really......

Arjay


In all your years, have you ever seen a harder working, more quality motivated shop floor workers than Americans?

At least other than the Japanese who listened to Ed Demming when Americans wouldn't.

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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:37 pm
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Apparently those "hard working, quality motivated shop floor workers" no longer live in Corona, California......

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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:15 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Apparently those "hard working, quality motivated shop floor workers" no longer live in Corona, California......

:(

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I was born and raised near there, so I understand where your coming from. California is not the mecca of manufacturing. I moved to Texas close to 40 years ago and I have never seen a harder working quality minded Rednecked folk in my life. Work ethic and values are ingrained in our culture here.

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Hou-Tex wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
Apparently those "hard working, quality motivated shop floor workers" no longer live in Corona, California......

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Arjay


I was born and raised near there, so I understand where your coming from. California is not the mecca of manufacturing. I moved to Texas close to 40 years ago and I have never seen a harder working quality minded Rednecked folk in my life. Work ethic and values are ingrained in our culture here.


You're right of course, Gary.

But we'll get waaaaaay O/T if this discussion proceeds any further.

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Post subject: Re: The cost of the quality ?
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:58 am
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63supro wrote:
I've been spouting the inflation conversion for years. My 72 Strat was $285 new. that's around $1200 in today's dollars.


It worth $1533 from www.calcxml.com/calculators/bud12?skn=#calcoutput


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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:02 am
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Not too far off. :lol: They really haven't gone up much. People are just used to paying low prices for things and cringe when gear get over a grand.

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