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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:53 am
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It would be easier to point out the very few sets that don't have a RWRP middle pup.


Please list them.

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Exactly. You brought it up, so list the Strat SSS models that do not have a RWRP middle pup. The only one that I can think of is the Classic Player 60s with the '69 pups.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:24 am
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I stand by my explanation of the pickups being in phase as far as signal output goes. It is 100% correct. It is irrelevant if the pickups are single coils, RW/RP or humbuckers. Noise cancellation in positions 2 and 4 is only a factor with RW/RP pickups. "Quack" is present in positions 2 and 4 regardless of the type of pickup and it has only to do with the positions of the pickups under the strings and where string vibration is being sensed.

Hou-Tex, I am sorry for the turn that this thread has taken after my response to your comment. I stand by my response and have nothing else to say on the subject. If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me.

I'm outta here.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:34 am
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shimmilou wrote:
You brought it up, so list the Strat SSS models that do not have a RWRP middle pup. The only one that I can think of is the Classic Player 60s with the '69 pups.


Here you go......

Eric Johnson signature models (both editions)
John Mayer signature model
Robert Cray signature model
The Fender Select model
All of the new AVS re-issues ('56, '59, '65)
The Classic Player '60s model
All of the Classic Series models ('50s, '60s, '70s)
The MIM Standard model
Virtually all of the Bullets, Affinitys, and Squiers

As well, the now-discontinued AVRI Strat models all featured standard pickup winding and magnet orientation.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:50 am
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There you go. I will take your word for it, except for the Mex Std and the Squiers, they have the RWRP middle pup.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:02 am
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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:08 am
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shimmilou wrote:
There you go. I will take your word for it, except for the Mex Std and the Squiers, they have the RWRP middle pup.


I examined the specification data for each of Fender's Strat models currently listed on this site as a production model and no mention was made of a RW/RP middle pickup for those models.

Perhaps it is a undisclosed "bonus feature".

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:44 am
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That's just it, it isn't often mentioned one way or another. Unless we actually look for ourselves we might not know. I have found that the Fender specs aren't always correct, and they don't often mention the RWRP thing at all. I haven't examined all of the high end Strats that you have listed, but the majority of Strats do have the RWRP middle pup. Not many people own most of the models that you listed, and it's rare that we get a peek under the hood to see what they have. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the models that you listed do actually have the RWRP middle.

Here are pis of a 2000 Mex Std, a 96 Mex Squier, showing the RWRP middle pup as indicated by their yellow wires. I don't have pics of the underneath of the pick guard of many of the Strats that I own or have owned, but I can tell you without doubt that the Am Std, the Mex Std, and the Squiers do have the RWRP middle.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:39 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Not many people own most of the models that you listed, and it's rare that we get a peek under the hood to see what they have. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the models that you listed do actually have the RWRP middle.


The Classic Series MIM's have been one of Fender's best selling lines for almost a decade and a half now. I've worked on over a hundred of them including (recently) a client's 2012 model and I've never seen any RW/RP middle pickups in them (many of them left my bench so equipped via upgrading though).

The fact of the matter is, there are more Strat models now available with the RW/RP middle-pickup configuration -- certainly within the last ten years, fifteen even. It is a popular feature.

But alas we're way beyond the scope of this thread's topic so I think I'm done.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:43 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
But alas we're way beyond the scope of this thread's topic so I think I'm done.

I'll get the fork Arjay. 8)


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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:14 pm
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Interesting stuff there Shimmi and Arjay!

I just caught up on this thread..it's also a question I've had myself in just what is going on under the hood with the pups. Thanks for straightening it out! Looks like if there's a yellow wire then it is RWRP. I'll have to check my old MIM pg that's still loaded.

Looks like we may have lost BS.

And I didn't sense any "nastiness" on anyone's part, for the record. Just exchange of ideas.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:30 pm
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Y'all are arguing about two different things. Like Bluesky636 said, the string signal from all 3 pickups is in phase and the quack in 2 & 4 comes from the physical location of the pickups and the different portions of the strings that they sense. The original Strats quacked long before anyone thought of using a RW/RP middle pickup -- back in the days when every Strat had 3 identical pickups.

Then one day in the early '80s Seymour was thinking about what Leo had done with the P-bass split coil, and the way that humbuckers work. And it dawned on him that if he reversed both the electrical polarity and the magnetic polarity of the middle pickup, the string signal would still be in phase with the other two pickups (like all Strats), but the noise signal would be out of phase so the combined noise signals cancel each other.

With or without RW/RP, Strats quack and the string signal is in-phase from each pickup.

Some people do argue about whether RW/RP quacks a little bit differently. Personally, I think that's due to other differences confusing the results. One experiment I did with my MIM Classic'50s was to convert its middle pickup to RW/RP -- they have plastic bobbins so you can just push the poles out, flip them over, then reverse the coil connections. Other than the lack of noise in 2 and 4 the quack sounded the same to my ears.


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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:22 pm
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I have to do some research and find how my Godin is wired. I do know that when I went to position 4 and then flipped the 180 switch, I found a pretty cool sound. Or I don't have the 180 switch right to begin with.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:49 pm
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tyronne wrote:
...Looks like if there's a yellow wire then it is RWRP...


There are some RWRP middle pups that have a different color wire than yellow.

The Tex-Mex has a red wire for the mid, the yellow wire is on the bridge pup, white for neck and black wires for ground.
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The Super Strat "Super Fat Pups" also has the red wire on the middle, the yellow wire on the bridge, white for neck and green wires for ground.
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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:10 pm
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Thanks..I'll have to bookmark this for future ref.

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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:56 pm
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Bill, get your thick skin back on and get back here. We miss you brother. But you need to "man up" a tad bro.

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