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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:50 am
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Hou-Tex wrote:
I don't know what's going on, but I haven't seen anything that made me even think I found a better tone. Either my rig is dialed in almost to perfection, or pedals suck. Or I'm old.


I'm guessing the pedal showed up?

My experience with channel jumping always involves two distinctly different sounding channels -- i.e. Bright & Normal, or Bass & Normal -- so I don't know what effect you would get with the Deluxe.


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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:31 am
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Yea I got it but haven't played with it much. When I get home Ill take all the other pedals out of chain and just try different EQ's and volumes with the Big Shot.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:00 pm
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My BigShot is very transparent when I don't have ground loops or need to reverse the phase of one of the outputs. But in either of those two situations the isolation transformer needs to be switched on and it's a big tone sucker with all my guitars.

That's typical of passive iso transformers, but there's an easy cure -- run a pedal with a buffered output (not true bypass) in front of the BigShot. Buffers aren't bothered by the big impedance change caused by the iso transformer. All Boss pedals have buffers (the buffer is on even when the effect isn't). If you don't have any pedals that you know have buffered outputs, you can use a clean boost (you can turn the boost down so the output is the same strength if you just want to use it as a buffer).

You'll need to use the phase switch and the iso transformer to patch the channels together on a Deluxe Reverb. Go ahead and try it without any pedals -- some pickups react more to impedance load than others (active EMG's and Clapton Strats have buffers built in). But if it's muffled, dark, muddy sounding try putting a buffered pedal in front of it.


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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:15 pm
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Thanks, I tried that and it didn't make a difference, but that doesn't matter. I played with my knobs a bit, and suddenly everything came in focus.

OHHH< EEEE< OOOH!

Tiny purple fishes, run laughing through my fingers...

WEoW!

These are the tones I though that were capable with this amp and I just wasn't getting there with traditional effects pedals. And I thought maybe, it's just because I forgot what yesterday's sound was like, so I unplugged the box and wen't through both channels directly, and I have far less tone without the ABY box.

I am in love!

Now Ill go back and play with my knobs. :lol:

Thanks guys!

I am impressed. :P

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:32 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
The Radial Big Shot goes for around eighty bucks at MF, a skosh cheaper than that sometimes on Ebay (I paid $75 for mine).

Arjay


This is seriously the only way to go. Well worth the $75-80.
A bit late on this one. :oops: Glad you went that route.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:34 pm
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Hou-Tex wrote:
I don't know what's going on, but I haven't seen anything that made me even think I found a better tone. Either my rig is dialed in almost to perfection, or pedals suck. Or I'm old.


My guitar instructor always says that as soon as you find the perfect tone ....... you die. :o :shock: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:38 pm
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My BigShot is very transparent when I don't have ground loops or need to reverse the phase of one of the outputs. But in either of those two situations the isolation transformer needs to be switched on and it's a big tone sucker with all my guitars.

That's typical of passive iso transformers, but there's an easy cure -- run a pedal with a buffered output (not true bypass) in front of the BigShot. Buffers aren't bothered by the big impedance change caused by the iso transformer. All Boss pedals have buffers (the buffer is on even when the effect isn't). If you don't have any pedals that you know have buffered outputs, you can use a clean boost (you can turn the boost down so the output is the same strength if you just want to use it as a buffer).

You'll need to use the phase switch and the iso transformer to patch the channels together on a Deluxe Reverb. Go ahead and try it without any pedals -- some pickups react more to impedance load than others (active EMG's and Clapton Strats have buffers built in). But if it's muffled, dark, muddy sounding try putting a buffered pedal in front of it.



My pedal chain is guitar > Boss TU-3 tuner > Fulltone FDM-2M > Boss FRV-1 63 Reverb Pedal > EH LPB-1 > BigShot ABY > amp.

I have the LPB-1 set just above unity gain. Thickens things up just a little bit.

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63supro wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
The Radial Big Shot goes for around eighty bucks at MF, a skosh cheaper than that sometimes on Ebay (I paid $75 for mine).

Arjay


This is seriously the only way to go. Well worth the $75-80.
A bit late on this one. :oops: Glad you went that route.



I totally am in love with it. I cant wait until Friday when my ugly speaker cab show's up and will be running 2x12's, at varying distances and angles. :P

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:43 pm
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Hou-Tex wrote:
I don't know what's going on, but I haven't seen anything that made me even think I found a better tone. Either my rig is dialed in almost to perfection, or pedals suck. Or I'm old.


My guitar instructor always says that as soon as you find the perfect tone ....... you die. :o :shock: :lol:



I don't want to do that. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:37 pm
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Hou-Tex wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
Hou-Tex wrote:
I don't know what's going on, but I haven't seen anything that made me even think I found a better tone. Either my rig is dialed in almost to perfection, or pedals suck. Or I'm old.


My guitar instructor always says that as soon as you find the perfect tone ....... you die. :o :shock: :lol:



I don't want to do that. :lol:


Neither do I. Consequently, my tone sux. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:31 am
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Hou-Tex wrote:
Tiny purple fishes, run laughing through my fingers...

WEoW!

These are the tones I though that were capable with this amp and I just wasn't getting there with traditional effects pedals.


8)

CONGRATS


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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:26 pm
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demaria.daniel wrote:
Hou-Tex wrote:
Tiny purple fishes, run laughing through my fingers...

WEoW!

These are the tones I though that were capable with this amp and I just wasn't getting there with traditional effects pedals.


8)

CONGRATS



Thanks. It's even better now with the additional speaker cab. I guess I better pick up another stand. :lol:

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....Alternatively, you can use this device to play a pair of amps in tandem -- great for creating some live pseudo-stereo stage effects if the amps are separated by two or three meters.

In all candor, the Radial Big Shot was the best money I ever spent on a stompbox.

HTH

Arjay

I love doing that setup, particularly for blues. I'll use a large amp and a small amp simultaneously. I'll set the larger amp to give me a clear clean bell-like tone just bordering on breakup with lots of thump and set the smaller amp for some creamy overdrive. If anyone has never tried this setup you wouldn't believe what a useful sound it is for blues and blues based rock. You get slightly compressed crunch and sweet expressive breathy clean articulation at the same time. It's killer. The only downside is that you need double the mics and cords and mixer channels to mic your rig for a live show. Double your stage footprint as well.

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Post subject: Re: Channel jumping a DRRI.
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:04 pm
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I just leaned something about about channel jumping and being a 180* of of phase. I read somewhere that most Strats with 5 way switches are wired to have some selections between pups out of phase. In position 4 my guitar allays sounded like doo doo poo poo. I tried position number 4, switched the ABY box to the other 180 setting, and I now have a totally new pup combo in order to play with.

I highly suggest channel jumping if you have a two channel amp with this box.

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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:13 pm
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Hou-Tex wrote:
I just leaned something about about channel jumping and being a 180* of of phase. I read somewhere that most Strats with 5 way switches are wired to have some selections between pups out of phase. In position 4 my guitar allays sounded like doo doo poo poo. I tried position number 4, switched the ABY box to the other 180 setting, and I now have a totally new pup combo in order to play with.

I highly suggest channel jumping if you have a two channel amp with this box.


The idea that positions 2 and 4 in a standard 5-way Strat switch are out of phase is false. What you are hearing is simply the difference in tone due to two closely spaced pickups and how the frequencies generated from each position reinforce or cancel each other. It is no different than a two pickup guitar. Positions 2 and 4 provide what is generally referred to as "quack" in a Strat. Now you COULD, if you wanted to, wire the pickups out of phase with each other, but that is not the normal condition in a stock 5-way.

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