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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:00 pm
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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:19 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
shimmilou wrote:
You do have a point, the Vibrasonic manual could be misunderstood if not read carefully. This goes for any product description.


I had no misunderstanding when I read it. In fact, neither did twotone44. Seemed quite clear to me.


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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:20 pm
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"......Let the wookie win."

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:41 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
"......Let the wookie win." :wink: Arjay


Thanks RG.
Winning the past three months has been great.
I feel good. I do not break my promises to others.
I have become a better person.
Still have work to do. Thanks RB for being you.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:56 am
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I have become a better person.


"Deeds, not words"

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:53 am
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Alright, guys.
Let's get back on the thread's focus.

Bruce Zinky designed amps obviously offer different levels of build quality.
I am not sure if the "design quality will be different", since they use tubes.

I do not know all of Zinky's Fender influences amps,
but I do understand my 1994 Tone Master is of similar quality as the VibroKing.

I understand my newer 1995 VibrAsonic is not with the other amp's regarding quality.
Apparently, PCB dominated electronics & circuit design. I am disappointed.

Had a blast experimenting with the VibrAsonic last night.
Not too happy with the foot pedal situation as the reverb only works when
the pedal is unplugged. But, I contacted the previous owner and he stated
there is a "process procedure" for the pedal. We shall see.

The Steel Guitar channel is totally awesomely bright. Love that brightness on a 1x15.
Wonder what the old 1952-1954 Fender 5B6 1x15 Bassman amps sounded like.
My friend Gator got one just as I put money down on another 5B6, but the seller was crud.

Let's make this Bruce Zinky thread cheerful. Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
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Let's make this Bruce Zinky thread cheerful. Toppscore :)


Fair enough.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:47 pm
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VibrAsonic Comments:

"I own a Fender Custom Vibrasonic Amp and find it to be one of the most articulate amps I have ever played thru. It has been totally reliable and perfect in every way. After reading the above comment and several others on the web, I decided to contact Bruce Zinky, himself, the designer of this great amp and get his take on it, so there won't be anymore mis-guided information and opinions on this fine amp. Here is the major body of the email I received from Bruce Zinky on September 12, 2011, concerning the 1995-1996 Fender Custom Vibrasonic Amp in his own words:

“It's a modified twin with a 15" Speaker.
The STEEL channel is a stock Twin.
The GUITAR channel is like a Vibro-King or Tone Master channel.

Fender needed a good sounding, loud amp with a 15" that would
be targeted towards guitarists or vintage style pedal steel players.
It has what I called at the time, the "Nashville" mods, which make
the power amp louder and clearer, compared to a Twin.

It's heavy, but cool. Fender made a lot of the VibrAsonics in a very short time.
The factory figured out that the amp didn't cost much more than a Twin to make
(but sold for a whole lot more money), then built thousands of the VibrAsonics
to make their "Profit Center" look good. The "Head of Fender" freaked out
and discontinued the amp ~ which, of course made them highly sought after
as soon as they were no longer available. ENJOY. BZ

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
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Comments regarding the 1995 Fender Custom Vibrasonic Reverb/Vibrato
Clean Steel & Vintage Channels with "Fat" & "Sweet" Switches
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"The Custom VibrAsonic (not vibrOsonic) is one strange amp.
It’s very different from the original VibrOsonic Reverb.

Reverb and (lcr-mediated) Tremolo are active on both channels, V1B and V2B have their plates AND cathodes in parallel (but the grids are independent!). I suppose this was a cheap way to get efx from both channels….they could have just kept the basic AB763 design and tied the downstream ends of the V1B and V2B coupling caps together to achieve this and maintain a decent amount of preamp gain to boot. On the other hand, this is supposed to be a relatively low gain amp designed primarily for super-clean pedal steel use and the lower gain from the 2nd audio stage is probably OK for the intended application. Actually, it’s a GREAT amp for pedal steel, but that’s a relatively small niche.

Another really weird thing is they use a 12AX7 for the phase inverter (not a 12AT7). With 100V DC on the cathode, you get loads of inductive hum from that stage. What WERE they thinking!?! (a simple sub to a 12AT7 will help a bunch here). The hum balance control is a MUST for this amp!"

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:31 am
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Toppscore wrote:
VibrAsonic Comments:

"I own a Fender Custom Vibrasonic Amp and find it to be one of the most articulate amps I have ever played thru. It has been totally reliable and perfect in every way. After reading the above comment and several others on the web, I decided to contact Bruce Zinky, himself, the designer of this great amp and get his take on it, so there won't be anymore mis-guided information and opinions on this fine amp. Here is the major body of the email I received from Bruce Zinky on September 12, 2011, concerning the 1995-1996 Fender Custom Vibrasonic Amp in his own words:

“It's a modified twin with a 15" Speaker.
The STEEL channel is a stock Twin.
The GUITAR channel is like a Vibro-King or Tone Master channel.

Fender needed a good sounding, loud amp with a 15" that would
be targeted towards guitarists or vintage style pedal steel players.
It has what I called at the time, the "Nashville" mods, which make
the power amp louder and clearer, compared to a Twin.

It's heavy, but cool. Fender made a lot of the VibrAsonics in a very short time.
The factory figured out that the amp didn't cost much more than a Twin to make
(but sold for a whole lot more money), then built thousands of the VibrAsonics
to make their "Profit Center" look good. The "Head of Fender" freaked out
and discontinued the amp ~ which, of course made them highly sought after
as soon as they were no longer available. ENJOY. BZ


Toppscore wrote:
Comments regarding the 1995 Fender Custom Vibrasonic Reverb/Vibrato
Clean Steel & Vintage Channels with "Fat" & "Sweet" Switches
=========================


"The Custom VibrAsonic (not vibrOsonic) is one strange amp.
It’s very different from the original VibrOsonic Reverb.

Reverb and (lcr-mediated) Tremolo are active on both channels, V1B and V2B have their plates AND cathodes in parallel (but the grids are independent!). I suppose this was a cheap way to get efx from both channels….they could have just kept the basic AB763 design and tied the downstream ends of the V1B and V2B coupling caps together to achieve this and maintain a decent amount of preamp gain to boot. On the other hand, this is supposed to be a relatively low gain amp designed primarily for super-clean pedal steel use and the lower gain from the 2nd audio stage is probably OK for the intended application. Actually, it’s a GREAT amp for pedal steel, but that’s a relatively small niche.

Another really weird thing is they use a 12AX7 for the phase inverter (not a 12AT7). With 100V DC on the cathode, you get loads of inductive hum from that stage. What WERE they thinking!?! (a simple sub to a 12AT7 will help a bunch here). The hum balance control is a MUST for this amp!"


Toppscore,

Copying and posting quotes from others without giving proper credit to the source of the quotes is considered very bad form. In the case of your last two posts, it appears that you copied both quotes (from two different people) from the on-line Ampwares article about the Custom Vibrasonic:

http://ampwares.com/amplifiers/fender-c ... ibrasonic/

The Ampwares article clearly identifies the authors of both quotes. You should have done the same to give credit where it is due.

I also have to wonder if you even understand what both quotes are talking about. Somehow I doubt it.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:48 am
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The Ampwares article clearly identifies the authors of both quotes. You should have done the same to give credit where it is due.
I also have to wonder if you even understand what both quotes are talking about. Somehow I doubt it.


Exactly. Thanks so much for giving credit where credit is due. They deserve it.

I also have to wonder if you even understand what both quotes are talking about.
Somehow I doubt it.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
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Toppscore wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
The Ampwares article clearly identifies the authors of both quotes. You should have done the same to give credit where it is due.
I also have to wonder if you even understand what both quotes are talking about. Somehow I doubt it.


Exactly. Thanks so much for giving credit where credit is due. They deserve it.

I also have to wonder if you even understand what both quotes are talking about.
Somehow I doubt it.


Too bad you couldn't have bothered to do it yourself.

Don't worry about me. I've already proven that I know more about guitar amp design and construction than you ever will.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
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bluesky636 wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
bluesky636 wrote:
The Ampwares article clearly identifies the authors of both quotes. You should have done the same to give credit where it is due.
I also have to wonder if you even understand what both quotes are talking about. Somehow I doubt it.

Exactly. Thanks so much for giving credit where credit is due. They deserve it.
I also have to wonder if you even understand what both quotes are talking about.
Somehow I doubt it. (this is my "non-reactive IN-YOUR-FACE response)

Too bad you couldn't have bothered to do it yourself.
Don't worry about me. I've already proven that I know more
about guitar amp design and construction than you ever will.


You know, Bluesky, some of your answers are very good. Thanks.
Some are not good for me.
It is your attitude. Your first response was good except for the last four (4) words:
"Somehow I doubt it."
To me, that is a total put down. I did not like it. Reduced whatever goodwill or point you
are/were trying to make to be meaningless. That response puts a cloud over future
comments and responses you make.
But, you said it, and did so with choice and thought.

Maybe you know not that you even write things like that.
Yet, towards me, this IS NOT the first time.

Your response would have been wonderful to me, except the last four words killed
any and all joy or appreciation towards your responding effort.

It says to me, "Toppscore, you copied the two quoted comments into your thread,
but you do not know what the hell you are doing?
Do you even understand the copied quotes? "Somehow I doubt it".
Bluesky, why add that ending "dig" :?: :?: :?:

If it is truly what you believe, why comment at all, ruin a thread & further ruin relationships :?:
Actually, I do understand the two comments. I put the two copied comments within quotation marks
I do believe BOTH to be of GREAT interest towards this thread of which I am the OP.
If you believe differently, simply move on :!: :!: :!: Why ruin other's joy and interests :?: :?: :?:
What is your gain :?: :?: :?: Are you mean spirited :?: :?: :?:


Get it, Bluesky :?: . . . . Somehow, Bluesky, I doubt it.
Does "somehow I doubt it" work for you :?:
Not for me. Again, we are different.
Maybe your family members, friends, co-workers
and customers take what you dish, but not me.

If you "did not" mean anything by it, then you are forgiven and just learn from it. Change.
Begin to review your nature and why you make choices that you might not mean.

If you "did" mean it, then my reactive response is: "Up Y__rs!"
But since I am working hard to grow and not be reactive,
I just repeated your nasty vindictive insults back into your face.

And, if you did mean it as a total put down, why bother :?: :?: :?:
Why comment on anything I do :?:
Why tell people you hate them to their faces :?:
What is your gain :?: :?: :?:
Do you think I or anyone else "likes" you better for that four-word-ending-comment :?:
Do you feel others will see it and go: "good job, Bluesky, you really got him this time" :?:
Do you believe you are "better" than me :?:
Why bother :?: Look at your motives. Are you being vindictive :?: Are you a mean person :?:
Is this a from of "lashing out" "being reactive" :?: Really, what is it :?: :?: :?:




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Bluesky: "Too bad you couldn't have bothered to do it yourself."
Do what myself? I put the comments in quotation marks.

Anybody who wanted to know the source can read my footnotes or contact me.
Footnotes are available when publishing and only at publishing time.
Otherwise, just PM me or ask the question. Thank you.


Bluesky: "Don't worry about me. I've already proven that I know more
about guitar amp design and construction than you ever will"


Bluesky, I bow to you as all knowledgable at amp design and guitar construction.
In the bath-tub of all knowledge, I am a little droplette. You are the mass.
Also, I do not have desire to EVER SURPASSs any professional amp or guitar technician
as far as knowledge or even total experiences. Throw in gigging, playing in public,
writing music, developing sounds/tones, being creative with new industry ideas, etc.

I will never be the greatest.
In fact, towards ALL aspects or disciplines or approaches, there is:
ALWAYS ONE WHO KNOWS THE MOST or IS THE BEST, and
ALWAYS ONE WHO KNOWS THE LEAST or IS THE WORST. Right :?:
Bluesky, truly, I guarantee, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE ~ SOMEWHERE INBETWEEN :lol: :lol: :lol:

That being said . . . . .
I would rather pay good money to pros for work on my amps & guitars.
I would rather pay good money to purchase products than build them from scratch.
I would rather participate in a forum and learn from others and share with others.
I would rather play with amps & guitars than work on them.
I would rather learn about what is important to me regarding amps & guitars,
rather than spend time/years to attempt to read/know everything.
I would rather learn about Fender History, Fender Products and how those two (2) areas
do apply towards my personal goals, the reason I spend any time on the Fender Forum.

OK. If in the future from this point on, you decide to participate within a thread I started
or respond towards my posted comments, please do so with a KIND HEART.
Thank you. Toppscore 8)

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