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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:54 am
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Topp, just because the amp has PCB boards doesn't neccesarily make it bad. The famous ARC D76 has boards and is one of the most reliable and desirable hi-fi amp. FWIW...


Thanks. It "IS worth" something.
I purchased these amps to be modern with past influences.
Apparently the 1995 VibrAsonic has a PCB board.
But, I cannot determine if the 1994 Tone Master has PCBoards

Still, many claim "hand-wired" and PTP with regards to the Fender custom amps.
Not to get on that subject, so, I accept that some think differently with regards
to the terms: HW & PTP. But, there must be other amps that do not even have
the quality of these amps.

Thanks for your comments. They sound great.
Just have to watch how I describe them. Good Day. Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:37 am
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Toppscore wrote:
I am disappointed to learn the Vibro King is heavily tied to PCB electronics.


Who said the Vibro King (Vibro King Custom or plain old Vibro King?) is PCB based? The Vibro King Custom is part of the Fender Custom line along with the EC series amps. According to Fender the Vibro King is hand wired:

"Unique Features:

All Hand Wired Chassis, "Fat" Switch, Built in Vintage "Tube Reverb" with Dwell, Mix, and Tone Controls, New Vibrato Circuit with Speed and Intensity Controls, Effects Loop, Baltic Birch Plywood Open Back Cabinet, Tilt-Back Legs, Ivory Radio Knobs, Red Jeweled Pilot Light, 2-Button Footswitch for Vibrato and "Fat" on/off, 13-Ply Baltic Birch Plywood Cabinet"

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http://www.fender.com/en-FI/products/vibro-king-custom

I thought this thread was about the BZ VibrAsonic?

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:05 am
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Thanks, Bluesky. Maybe I was unclear, dazed and confused :lol:

The following information is copied directly from the 1995 Vibrasonic Manual:

"The Fender Amp Custom Shop is dedicated to creating high quality amplification to serve top artists and discriminating players. These amps offer no-compromise sound and performance with vintage appeal and bullet-proof construction. Of course, things like point-to-point wiring do not come cheap. To better serve those who cannot afford the 100% hand-wired custom amps, Fender has created the New Vintage Series, using modern production methods to reduce cost while keeping the tone “custom”."

"In the spirit of all the great Vibrasonics of yesterday, we offer the “Custom” Vibrasonic of today. It is not a reissue of any of the old units, rather, it is a new amplifier designed for the multi-instrumentalist who requires versatility and clean power along with the classic Fender tube tone. It has 100 watts of tube power and 2 independent channels. And just like the Fender custom amps, the “Custom” Vibrasonic is painstakingly built, one at a time, by a select group of craftsmen at the Fender electronics factory in Lake Oswego, Oregon".


OK. I probably read into the deceptive Fender description with a different understanding.
My bad.
With the incorrect assumption that all Zinky is/was "the best", I am disappointed.
Hopefully, you are joking about the whole Vibrasonic amp being on a large PCB.

Is it possible to locate pictures of the 1994 Tone Master chassis
and the 1995 Vibrasonic chassis, as similar to the VibroKing photo you kindly posted?
I saw the photo on the Fender site, but being an active amp is the reason there is info.
Are they available? Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:21 am
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Anyway, rechecking the 1995 Fender Custom Vibrasonic,
I believe it has a "small" capacitor board.

I cannot tell if the remaining components are on a PCB board or an eyelet tag board.
I have never opened an amp with PCB boards.

Like working on my Ford Muscle Cars with tons of engine space and
very defined engine components.

Then, opening up my hood on most of my new cars generally leaves bewilderment
and the need for a computer port and five years of Chrysler/Dodge training :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:34 am
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Vibro King and Vibrasonic are two different amps.

You have been shown the schematic for the Vibrasonic, it is all PCB, not just the cap board.

In response to being shown the eyelet board in a Vibro King, you quote something from the Vibrasonic manual.

Toppscore wrote:
Thanks, Bluesky. Maybe I was unclear, dazed and confused...


Really?!?! We've been telling you that since day one. You just don't listen, then try to twist and turn to deny reality. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:52 am
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I don't need a photograph of the inside of a 95 VibrAsonic to recognize that the entire amp is PCB based. Nor do I find anything deceptive in the 95 VibrAsonic owner's manual.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:22 am
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shimmilou wrote:
You just don't listen, then try to twist and turn to deny reality. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:17 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
You've been shown the schematic for the Vibrasonic, it's all PCB, not just the cap board.
Thank you very much for confirming that. I went back to the schematics and now better
understand eyelet peg board schematics vs the look of PCB schematics.

In response to being shown the eyelet board in a Vibro King, you quote something from
the Vibrasonic manual.
Toppscore wrote:
Thanks, Bluesky. Maybe I was unclear, dazed and confused...
Really?!?! We've been telling you that since day one. You just don't listen, then try to twist and turn to deny reality. :roll:


OK. I am going to take this comment, not as something from Shimmy, but towards
comments from general fellow forum posters. We all tend to agree or disagree with
published comments. Maybe we find comments to be of interest and do not have
desire to agree or disagree.

Bottom line, many/most disagreements stem from misunderstand.
The printed word leaves plenty to desire for interpreting humor, seriousness,
voice inflections, facial expressions, body language, unintentional mistakes,
and or if an comment is truly wrong, nasty or conniving.


I am not happy with Shimmy's comment because he misunderstood me, as I'll explain later.

My response towards Shimmy is: "Interesting!
You are not involved and yet you state "we've" and "day one"?
Where do you make up this twisting and turning and denial crud?
You think there is a conspiracy going on ~ something to deny hide twist? Where is your head at?

OK. That is my response.
I probably misunderstood Shimmy being critical wihout foundation. I could be wrong.
I may not understand that Shimmy is not being mean. Or maybe he is?
I think, why make a response in the first place between two other posters?
Shimmy may think I should know or understand something and no more energy be wasted.
Who know Shimmy's reasoning, but IMHO his words come out in an uncomfortable manner,
and really do not teach or share or help me or others grow, because of the perceived
anger and/or frustration and/or lack of patience ~ and this is in a conversation Shimmy
was not previously involved.

OK. Enough said. Figure it out. Try to be understanding and complimentary when
responding; instead of reactive, nasty, with anger and with a narrow minded approach.
Thanks again for reconsidering. Toppscore.



I started this thread from personal interest.
The VibrAsonic is at the core of [color=#0000BF]MY
following areas of interest:[/color]
1) Bruce Zinky designed Fender products.
2) Which BZ products are all P2P/HWired? If not all.
3) Where does my newly acquired Fender Custom VibrAsonic fit in?
4) Where does my recently acquired Fender Tone Master fit in?
5) Where does the VibroKing fit in?
6) There are confusing comments that the VibraSonic & Tone Master are P2P/HW
7) IMHO, reading and studying that Bruce Zinky makes great products,
and finding out that the VibroKing and the Tone Master are all Point-to-Point Hand Wired,
I wanted to find out the VibrAsonic's design by asking questions.
8) It becomes clear that the VibrAsonic electionics is mostly designed on a PCB.
9) I am disappointed and want to find out the benefits of the Bruce Zinky designed
PCB amp, and if it is still a good amp or if I will just sell it. As my only 1x15 Fender amp,
I am very interested in better understanding the amp compared to other BZ amps and
to other PCB amps and to tube amps.

I am still on my BZ quest.

Read and learn. Just because anyone from any forum or any tech shop
or any magazine states something, I do not believe it to be 100% true or 100% false.

So, if anyone makes a statement, great!!! Much appreciated.
But, if anyone makes a statement and expects ZERO questions
or that the statement ends all inquiry, sorry. Don't get insulted.
The inquiry goes on. Got to verify and better understand why,
why choices were made and other choices were not made.

Bluesky was great. Bit strong with his answers, but still much appreciated.
When Bluesky stated the entire VibrAsonic is on a PCB board, I thought he was joking.
No insult to Bluesky to keep investigating and better understand his truthful statement.
Just my personal nature, and I bet many people keep on inquirying.
A great answer from someone does not necessarily mean to stop seeking or inquiring.

Fender amps are the best. Fender guitars are the best.
Fender custom shop is the best. Lake Oswego Oregon builds custom amps.
Bruce Zinky designs are the best. Paul Rivera designs are the best.
Only P2P/HW amps sound good. Amps with PCBs or are all PCP are bad.
Jensen Italy is bad. Solid State amps are bad. Fender 1959 5F6A is the greatest.
Fender G-DEC, Fender Cyber Twin, Fender Supersonic, Peavey Vypyr are all bad.

Does anyone see what is out there in the world and how confusing words, marketing,
manuals, opinions, concepts, history, transitional products can be misunderstood???

Shimmy, give me a break and open your mind BEFORE you misjudge and criticize.
Thank you. Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:09 pm
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bluesky636 wrote:
I don't need a photograph of the inside of a 95 VibrAsonic to recognize that the entire amp is PCB based. Nor do I find anything deceptive in the 95 VibrAsonic owner's manual.


I rechecked the VibrAsonic schematic. Not being very knowledgable,
I am guessing the PCB "tell" is that very little "wiring" is going on.
Pretty clear from that stand point.

I do feel Fender is a bit deceptive, trying to build up and then let go.
The way they start off the comparisons, custom shop history,
how they use the word custom, etc. IMHO, to me it is sly.

Also, on the back of the VibrAsonic it clearly states in good sized print.
Created by: Fender Custom Shop, Scottsdale Arizona

Whether "Created" "Produced" "Built" words are used, another "sly" bit of marketing.


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Good news is, this amp is clear with great tones from all four channels.
I tested my HSH Strat on it and all five HSH postions came through
nice loud and clear, unlike previous testing with other amps and speakers.

It's the first time this HSH Strat seemed to have equal volume output from all 5 postions.
Before, the Super Distortion III seemed to out-power the Humbucker from Hell
and "muddy" my special 12k middle single coil. This is great news.
Now, I have to remember which amp/speaker setup was giving me trouble and compare.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:28 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
In response to being shown the eyelet board in a Vibro King, you quote something from the Vibrasonic manual.
Toppscore wrote:
Thanks, Bluesky. Maybe I was unclear, dazed and confused...

Really?!?! We've been telling you that since day one. You just don't listen, then try to twist and turn to deny reality. :roll:


Shimmy Negative. Gotta be kidding me? What floats your boat?
Is it OK to be unclear? Yes, REALLY?!?! You again misunderstood.
You don't read English correctly and do not make an effort to understand or interpret.
Then you try to twist and turn to make something to deny reality :roll:

I was obviously referring back to the VibrAsonic. You missed that.
Noticing that the VibroKing is PTP and noticing the the Vibrasonic has the
confusing "lingo", I re-quoted back from the Vibrasonic manual. You missed that.

Again, you missed the entire concept about "custom shop or not".
Turns out it is "created by the Fender custom shop". You missed that.
Turns out that the VibrAsonic manual connivingly is unclear when it could be more clear.
You missed that. You have missed this whole thread!!!
And you come in and add some unrelated insults? WTF?

Is this thread a big deal to you? For you it is, right? But you're incorrect with your input.
"Get" any picture, much less the big picture ~
just understand SOMETHING before you deplete with your output.
So, Shimmy, stay in context, get involved, be an inquiry, check things out
instead negative prejudgement towards others
and when you are "trying to be" a non-invited analyist. OK?

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
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You do have a point, the Vibrasonic manual could be misunderstood if not read carefully. This goes for any product description.

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:06 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
You do have a point, the Vibrasonic manual could be misunderstood if not read carefully. This goes for any product description.


Thank you for apologizing.

I still want to know more about Bruce Zinky amps. Toppscore

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Post subject: Re: 1995 Bruce Zinky Fender 1x15 VibrAsonic ~CUSTOM SHOP or
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shimmilou wrote:
You do have a point, the Vibrasonic manual could be misunderstood if not read carefully. This goes for any product description.


I had no misunderstanding when I read it. In fact, neither did twotone44. Seemed quite clear to me.

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