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Post subject: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:31 pm
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What do you all think, replacing the c12q for a cannabis Rex .
The amp has great tone as is but lacks volume due to the speaker.
I would like to get input on this speaker, my plan for the 12Q
Speaker is to use in the blues jr.
Just a thought, not commited to this yet.

Keep in mind, when I can it out it's loud, but don't want to
Lug the 2x12 cab to be heard

(I know I could've gotten the std drri, but wanted the wine red
Ltd) :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:10 pm
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There's no doubt that the Cannibis Rex is a more efficient speaker. You might also give some thought to Eminence's Texas Heat and Swamp Thang. They both do well in a DRRI.

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:45 am
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Thanks arjay,
The tone is there everything works flawlessly on this
Amp and I am watching this amp with intense scrutiny.
The only thing it has which isn't a big deal is it pops when
I set in standby.
Yeah, the swamp thang seems like a speaker that will shine
in this amp

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:26 pm
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the more i play this amp the more i love it as is.
i may just replace the speakers in my 2x12 cab with some that will give me a wide range of tones, like a wizard and a cannibis rex.
the drri ltd sounds great, at vol 5 and with a strat its clean with a little break up.
at 7 or 8 and the vol on the guitar at 5 or 6 its clean but gets dirty when turning up the volume.
the ts 808 puts it on a different level

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 4:45 am
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Yep there one top amp!....


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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 7:36 am
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The Emi CR sounds wonderful in a DR. Very efficient, excellent tight lows and beautiful warm highs, you can't go wrong with that speaker IMO...

But mine is taking a break for now, a 66 C12N has taking its place... and even though it's not a very efficient speaker compared to the CR it is the perfect speaker for my DR, for me at least.


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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:13 am
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The Swamp Thang didn't do much compared to the original Emi in my older DRRI.
The C-Rex made it come alive !
Some fussed about the C-rex being dark, I didn't find it dark at all, well balanced if anything, gave the bottom a little more tightness too.

I now use the C-rex mixed with a Red Fang in a 2x12 for my Bassman head.

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:16 am
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hey cedar,

i bet that vintage c12n sounds sweet.
concerns is with the p12q. its a wonderful speaker. with my gibby lp
i placed the volume neck pickup @ 2 and its loud but clean, bridge pickup at 10 tone rolled off a bit to 7 and its overdriven, awesome, i believe giggable volumes.
with a strat is a different story, the tone is awesome but not loud enough for gigging.
at least the clean headroom, doesnt las very long at loud volumes., his was room filling,
mine wasnt as loud, i then plugged in my friends c12k to my amp, and sounded the way
it should loud.
i could cab it out to my 2x12 cab, but carrying my cab would defeat the purpose for a combo,lol. we did an a/b with my drri and my friends
now this is what im looking for;
clean head room, a tad lower than the c12k. volumes equivalent to the c12k.
i love the natural tube breakup, but i like flexibility.

so my question, is the cannibis rex loud like the c12k give or take a few dbs, and does it have later break up? its a 50 watt vs 100 watt speaker.
another speaker im looking at is the WGS G12 C/S 75 watt ceramic speaker and for 76 bucks it wont hurt as much. the emenince line, looking at the swamp thang, and red white and blues
thanks in advance

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:24 pm
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blues bondsman had a thread a short while back on swapping the speaker in the DRRI. I had trouble figuing out how to get a Swamp Thang to replace the C12K in the box, until he gave me the "secret", and for that I am very grateful, bb.

As I recall, he was looking to tame the ice pick in the DRRI, and he determined that the Swamp Thang (S.T.) did not do that. He was correct. The Swamp Thang makes the DRRI a totally "honest" amp ... only LOUDER. Whatever noise goes in, is the noise that comes out. I believe the S.T. is completely linear in response, with no peaks or valleys across the sound spectrum. And did I mention it's LOUDER? But I don't think it breaks up like the Jensen. In the end, I would characterize the new tone as more ... um ... "modern".

Here's the downside (maybe). Because it's more "modern", it loses some of that Fender "chime". I don't know what Fender chime is, but I know it when I hear it, and the S.T. does not make that tone. The C12K did. However, I would say that 4 S.T.'s in a Marshall cab, with 100 watts, could produce an illegal amount of db.

So, bottom line: The Swamp Thang changes the DRRI. If you're looking for the S.T. to generate that classic Fender tone, only on steroids, you're likely to be disappointed. If you want a louder, Fenderized modern tone in a classic Fender amp, you will probably like.


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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:37 pm
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WhatsThatSmell wrote:
So, bottom line: The Swamp Thang changes the DRRI. If you're looking for the S.T. to generate that classic Fender tone, only on steroids, you're likely to be disappointed. If you want a louder, Fenderized modern tone in a classic Fender amp, you will probably like.


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Jensen is showing an SPL of 99.1 dB for their C12K -- the Eminence Swamp Thang is rated for 102 dB.

"Nedorama" here on the forum has been experimenting with a pair of WGS 12's and preliminarily is reporting excellent results. Check their website for specs of the specific speaker you have in mind.

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:37 am
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bluesstrattone wrote:
so my question, is the cannibis rex loud like the c12k give or take a few dbs, and does it have later break up? its a 50 watt vs 100 watt speaker.

The CR is plenty loud in the DR, trust me, it's rated at 102 dB, compared to 99.1 dB for the C12K. Don't worry about the wattage ratings...

I've tried a vintage P12Q in my DRs, didn't do it for me... The DR always sounded better with a ceramic speaker IMO, it keeps that Fender tone it's known for.

Two reasons why the CR works in the DR, gets rid of that ice pick tone and gives a nice tight low end, better than any other 12" speaker I tried. The '66 C12N comes close, but isn't as efficient... but it sounds soooooo good! :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 9:15 am
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thanks cedar.
seems like many other members of other forums agree that the cannibis rex is an excellent speaker

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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 5:53 pm
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So, for someone like me, who only plays guitar in my home (no gigging), it seems like the Ltd edition would be a reasonable tube amp for me. The lower volume of the Jensen would actually be better for me.

Is the DRRI a suitable amp for someone who doesn't gig? I don't need to worry about neighbors so that's not an issue. My guitar playing is pretty much limited to practicing and playing along with backing tracks. My focus has been on surf guitar stuff so the DRRI seems to be the amp of choice for that type of music. Skills-wise, I'd say I'm an intermediate in terms of guitar skills. I already have a 50 watt, solid-state, modeling amp (Johnson JT-50 Mirage) that has a bunch of toys to play with (programmable presets, built-in effects, headphone jack, etc.). When using that amp, I usually have the volume at about 4 or 5, with my Strat at volume knob at 10. And, actually, I don't have any complaints about the sound of the amp, although to me, it seems kinda sterile, if that makes any sense... I'm just looking to add a good tube amp to my "collection" and hopefully experience tone that, from what I read here, is unique to tube amps..

A major consideration is that I can get one of the DRRI Ltd Editions new for what I know is a really good price...


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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:29 pm
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I would definitely recommend this amp to someone that is gigging
That only plays dirty, but the deluxe has some awesome cleans
The tone is awesome, but the clean headroom is where
It lacks at gigging volumes.
Now for home use, it makes a fantastic amp also.
Because at volumes 4 or 5 it has clean headroom but excellent
tone, and control the overdrive with the guitars volume.
Now once I change the speaker and increase volume
and headroom, it'll be a different story.
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Post subject: Re: Fsr drri Jensen c12q poss replacement w can Rex
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:19 am
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I use Webers in all my amps,for a DR I use their 12F150.....just another suggestion for something else...most people love the Weber tone as being close to the original Jensen tone....as best as I can remember it hits the nail on the head nicely when trying to remember new Jensens in the mid/late '60s.


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