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Post subject: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:47 pm
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Both have push-pull 6V6 output section and 10" speaker. Obviously the pre-amps are completely different animals and I don't think the super champ uses a genuine spring reverb.

However, I generally play clean with the volume cranked enough to drive the power section into distortion. Since used SCXD amps are several hundred bucks than the PRRI I don't see the incentive to pay extra for the PRRI. Am I missing something?

Could the super-champ accommodate a 12" speaker?

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:41 pm
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"Am I missing something?"

IMO, yes.

The SCXD will never have the sonic character of the all-tube PRRI platform.

I don't think the SCXD's cab is quite large enough for a twelve. But you can find custom-made cabs for them on Ebay that will do just that, in a variety of cosmetic schemes (the blonde/wheatstraw combination is particularly striking).

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:21 pm
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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:01 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
"Am I missing something?"

IMO, yes.

The SCXD will never have the sonic character of the all-tube PRRI platform.
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And the PRRI will never have the exact sonic character of an SCXD. Is that difference really worth $300 - $400? It's a subjective question and I appreciate your opinion.

"This "convinced me that the SCXD might be worth a try.

I love PRs - have owned two of them, but I'm not convinced that it's worth the price differential - particularly for a PR reissue.

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:08 pm
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Ever seen a 40-year old Princeton Reverb for sale?

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:56 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Ever seen a 40-year old Princeton Reverb for sale?

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Yes. They're expensive!

I sold a '66 PR. Wish I had kept it. It was like new and all original except the power transformer and the tubes.

I also sold a '70 PR. It wasn't as nice as the '66.

The '66 had a jensen speaker and the '70 had an oxford. The '66 with the jensen was much nicer sounding I think but I didn't own them at the same time so I didn't hear them side by side.

They both had a nice break up at moderate volume which I expect the SCXD will also have. But I could be wrong.

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:04 pm
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Indeed they are.

Now go into your bathroom, stand in front of the sink, look at the image you see in the mirror, then convince yourself that one day in the year 2052 you'll see an SCXD listed for sale on C/L or Ebay.

PR's may be expensive but you get what you pay for.

In as little as ten years from now, I'll wager a C-note that you won't even be able to buy some of the model-specific parts used in an SCXD. And at that point, you'll be able to find all the SCXD's you want for free......at the local landfill.

Regardless, have fun.

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:10 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Indeed they are.

Now go into your bathroom, stand in front of the sink, look at the image you see in the mirror, then convince yourself that one day in the year 2052 you'll see an SCXD listed for sale on C/L or Ebay.

PR's may be expensive but you get what you pay for.

In as little as ten years from now, I'll wager a C-note that you won't even be able to buy some of the model-specific parts used in an SCXD. And at that point, you'll be able to find all the SCXD's you want for free......at the local landfill.

Regardless, have fun.

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That's the nature of inexpensive IC technology. Did you think you came up with something enlightening?

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:24 am
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Disposable technology for a disposable society......it all makes perfect sense.

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:30 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Disposable technology for a disposable society......it all makes perfect sense.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

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Meanwhile the 6V6 has been with us since 1937.

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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:56 am
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Let me start by saying that I owned an SCXD and liked it well enough to sell it and by a SCX2 head which I use with a HotRod Deluxe 1x12 cabinet. They are nice little amps for a small venue or practice. While I don't own a PRRI I have played through the amp and can tell you that it's not really a fair comparison. The SCXD and that series of amps are a good product for the value oriented customer but are not really in the same league as the Princeton. I also own a Deluxe Reverb which is built to the same quality as the PRRI and from cabinet to componets it's a better product. That's why the vintage reissues sell for quite a bit more than the vintage modified series. I happen to like the SCXD but it isn't going to replace a PRRI. If you want a reasonably priced amp with good tone you will like it, if you want an amp that many a pro turn to get the PRRI. A Chevy Cobalt will get you where you want to go but it isn't a Corvette.


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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:41 am
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I started this thread mainly considering tone. If tone remains the only consideration (and tone is subjective) then it may not be worth it to spend the extra bucks for the PRRI.

However, a more comprehensive analysis must include, quality of components, longevity, resale, and tone. All the considerations, combined, might start to tilt the scale toward the PRRI.

I'm still going to get a used SCXD. If I do get a PR I'll take the deep plunge and get a '64 or'65 FEIC (pre-cbs) version. Probably shouldn't wait to long or it might take a second mortgage to get it.

Thanks for all the feedback,
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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:59 pm
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I've seen used SCXD's for $200 and sometimes less so for that kind of money you really can't go wrong. As far as tone goes, it's got a lot of variety and enough to please most, including me and I'm a vintage guy.


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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:30 pm
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Hi,

I have the PRRI and used to have the original version of the SCXD. I liked the SXCD and tone. It was really versatile but I thought the adjustment of the tone knobs didn't do a whole lot. It may be bcasue of the cab. I sold it to a guy that was taking guitar lessons from me and he loves it and gig with it all the time. I agree with the other folks that e the PRRI is a much better built amp but you get with you pay for. If you use pedals I think the PRRi is the way to go and it has that nice natural breakup for purists. For smaller rooms and gigs I use a Princeton Reverb II and a PRRi in stereo or switch to mono (using a tonebone ABY box) and it it a really nice combination with pedals. Of course I have to mic the amps (play with a 9 piece cover band with horns). I'll send a pic of the setup when I figure out how to attach a pic :)

In short, it depends on budget, styles, preferences. I don't think you can go wrong with either amp.


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Post subject: Re: super champ XD vs princeton reverb RI
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:43 pm
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For gods sake save the extra and get a PR, as the alternative sucks, the SCXDs are cheap alternatives for people who can not afford the goody's and that's fine, but I guarantee if you buy the SCXD, you will always wonder what the PR would have been like, but I bet you my left nut sack if you but the PR, you will never wonder how the SCXD would have comparable, the reason it cost more money, well it's all tube for a kick off, built much nicer, and sounds a hell of a lot nicer, when I record stuff, which is on a daily basis, I want the best sound I can get into the mic's and their-for I want the best sounding amp I can get my hands on in the studio environment, and let me tell you, the PR is worlds apart from the SCXD in tone, their really is no contest, and some mite say the money does not justify the extra money, well sorry but it just does, you can not but a price on good tone, and the PR will be around in another 50 years, the SCXD however will be pushing up daisy's in some landfill, or being used as a seat in some tip.


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