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Post subject: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:29 am
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It looks to be about £200 more than a Hot Rod Deluxe reissue and yet it's only half the wattage. I am wondering why the Princeton 65 reissue is more expensive?

I've listened to the 65 on youtube and I like the sound of it, also I like the size and weight of it however the only downside is lack of wattage making it maybe not so good for practicing with a band or for gigis. Also why does it have two inputs?

I'm leaning toward the hot rod deluxe, it's 20kg though. Is that too heavy to lug around with me all day at Uni? And am I making sacrifice sound wise by getting hot rod?


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:22 am
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Hi Rich_A10,

Those are two very different sounding amps, as the output tubes are 6V6 in the PRRI vs 6L6 in the HRDlx. The HRDlx is certainly louder/cleaner than the PRRI. How much volume do you need? The PRRI can keep up with a band just fine, as long as you aren't trying to play heavy metal. The HRDlx also has a drive channel for some good distortion, which the PRRI doesn't have.

On most all Fender amps, input 2 is attenuated when used by itself, so the amp output will be less when using that input alone. Input 2 would be generally more useful for active pups, or hum-buckers, when the signal is too hot for input 1.

This guy doesn't have a problem gigging with the PRRI. :)

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:57 am
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Hi there thanks for that, so could I put 6V6 in HRD to make it sound like a 65? Are the tube differences reason for 65 being £200 more?

Have discovered Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue too which is 22w and 18kg.


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:10 am
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Rich_A10 wrote:
Hi there thanks for that, so could I put 6V6 in HRD to make it sound like a 65? Are the tube differences reason for 65 being £200 more?

Have discovered Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue too which is 22w and 18kg.


A Hot Rod Deluxe is not going to sound like a 65 Princeton Reissue no matter what tubes you put into it. The design and purpose of the two amps are completely different. What sort of sound are you trying to achieve?

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:14 am
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You can put 6V6 in the HRDlx, but it won't sound quite like a PR though. And using the 6V6 in the HRDlx will reduce power to roughly 22 watts anyway, so you would be trying to get a PR sound with twice the weight of the PR amp.

The 6V6 that are rated for use in the HRDlx will sound more like a 6L6 than a typical 6V6, maybe in-between the two is the sound you will get. JJ6V6 and GT6V6-s are both rated for use in the HRDlx.

I have tried other 6V6 that sound great in the HRDlx, more like a 6V6 should sound, but the tube specs were exceeded, so I didn't use them for long.

I thought that the PRRI was US made, which would account for the price difference, but I could be wrong about that.

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:23 am
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shimmilou wrote:
I thought that the PRRI was US made, which would account for the price difference, but I could be wrong about that.


I think it is:

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:28 am
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You prolly need to try both amps, side-by-side, to satisfy your curiosity as to the differences between the two. As for gain and OD... may want to think about gain stage tube changes, as well as output tubes. Maybe some 5751 or 12AY7 in place of the 12AX7's in the HRDlx.

Just a thought...


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:28 am
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Don't know what sound I want, can only go on what's on youtube. The HRD sounds a bit duller or less chimey than the 65 but not in terms of brightness, maybe upper compression or something or maybe the speaker.

Maybe I could replace speaker in HRD to same one that's in 65 too. I think 20kg is borderline maximum weight for lugging around single handed. I have a 28kg 212 amp and it's a back breaker.


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:03 am
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Rich_A10,

Just a feel from your posts, you might be happier with the PRRI. The 6V6 sound is is maybe what you want, it is sweet on it's own without any effects. You could get close to that with the HRDlx and some effects, but still not quite the same. The PRRI should handle bands and gigs as long as you don't need to vibrate the walls in the joint. The DRRI is also 22 watts, and from reading about it here, plenty of people gig with it. So the PRRI has plenty of power for many types of music, but with a 10" speaker so it will have less low end and different voicing.

bluesky636 and BMW2002Ti (and others) can both give you great recommendations on tube choices to get a less aggressive sound from the HRDlx if you go that route. If you need the power, and/or play more hard rock or metal, the HRDlx and some effects would probably be better.

From my own experience, I bought a BJr to lug around as I could no longer easily carry my HRDlx, so the weight thing could be a serious issue for you as well. Wheels and carts don't help much since everything isn't on the same level and you still have a lot of lifting and carrying (only needed to try that once). I am a HRDlx fan, but it has gained weight in the last 14 years or so. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:23 am
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Great feedback here thanks.

20kg is heavy but I could live with it I think. I think I would like to create my own custom sound with HRD, maybe put a Jensen in it with some different tubes. Have listened to a few more youtube videos of HRD and it's almost hitting the spot but with 65 it was pretty instant of course there is a lot of discrepency with youtube videos.

Am going to try HRD at local store. ATM it's probably £1000 on Deluxe Reverb or HRD with different speaker and tubes. It would be nice to have the 65 but not sure about the 15W.


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:05 am
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Oops, it is 15 watts for the PRRI. Sorry about that. :oops: Not a huge difference from 22 watts though.

Lets us know what you decide. :)

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:09 am
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Rich_A10 wrote:
Maybe I could replace speaker in HRD to same one that's in 65 too. I think 20kg is borderline maximum weight for lugging around single handed. I have a 28kg 212 amp and it's a back breaker.


The speaker in the HRD is 12", the one in the PRRI is 10". Even if speakers were the same size, one amp wouldn't sound like the other.

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shimmilou wrote:
I am a HRDlx fan, but it has gained weight in the last 14 years or so. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:53 pm
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The Princeton and DRRI are worth the extra money. You'll save that money in aspirin alone that you'll need from all the headaches you'll get from the HRDlx. You won't have to mod them into submission either. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Princeton 65 reissue price
Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:02 pm
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I'm leaning toward Delux Reissue now as it's only 18kg and loud enough for gigging. It has that Fender sound that I'm after, not sure how I know that but I can only describe it as having a metalic percussive edge not to be confused with brightness.

Does anyone know at what volume the amp starts to break up?


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