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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:50 am
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"The world’s most popular tube amps just got better! Fender® Hot Rod series amplifiers are found on every stage in the world, large and small, and are used by guitarists from all walks of life. Hot Rod amps deliver unmistakable Fender tone and are the perfect platform for musicians to craft their own signature sound. These no-frills amps are affordable, reliable and loud, and they pair extremely well with stomp boxes. The Blues Junior™ III is a 15-watt warm-toned, longtime favorite - the perfect grab-and-go tube amp for stage and studio. It is known for the fat mid tones characteristic of EL-84 output tubes, warm 12AX7 preamp tube overdrive, real spring reverb, simple control layout, footswitchable FAT boost and external speaker capability." (couldn't have said it better myself).

And whoever heard of putting a mic on a small amp to gig? :roll:

Funny that any of the small(er) Fender vintage amps are not described as boxy even though the vintage amps have even smaller cab and speaker than the BJr. But the BJr is described as boxy because of small cab. Amazing!

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...I'm actually amused that a few contributors here seem to become deaf when they see the words "Blues Junior.."....

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... whenever I go to a jam and see a BJ on stage, even the III version, it's always the same story, gets lost in the mix and can't keep up....


Seems pretty clear, no problem until the BJr was seen, then it suddenly sounded bad. :roll: I think that is very telling. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:05 am
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shimmilou wrote:
"The world’s most popular tube amps just got better! Fender® Hot Rod series amplifiers are found on every stage in the world, large and small, and are used by guitarists from all walks of life. Hot Rod amps deliver unmistakable Fender tone and are the perfect platform for musicians to craft their own signature sound. These no-frills amps are affordable, reliable and loud, and they pair extremely well with stomp boxes. The Blues Junior™ III is a 15-watt warm-toned, longtime favorite - the perfect grab-and-go tube amp for stage and studio. It is known for the fat mid tones characteristic of EL-84 output tubes, warm 12AX7 preamp tube overdrive, real spring reverb, simple control layout, footswitchable FAT boost and external speaker capability." (couldn't have said it better myself).

And whoever heard of putting a mic on a small amp to gig? :roll:

Funny that any of the small(er) Fender vintage amps are not described as boxy even though the vintage amps have even smaller cab and speaker than the BJr. But the BJr is described as boxy because of small cab. Amazing!

adey wrote:
...I'm actually amused that a few contributors here seem to become deaf when they see the words "Blues Junior.."....

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... whenever I go to a jam and see a BJ on stage, even the III version, it's always the same story, gets lost in the mix and can't keep up....


Seems pretty clear, no problem until the BJr was seen, then it suddenly sounded bad. :roll: I think that is very telling. :wink:


I had the same problem with my HRDlx. It just couldn't cut a mix. The HRD series are on a lot of bigger stages due to the fact that you can rent them anywhere. They're cheap and plentiful. Many professional performers rent gear. Sheet, I've even done it from time to time just because it was easier on out of state gigs. We didn't have worry about someone breaking into the van and ripping us off. :wink:
If a club or bar is small, there's no need to mic an amp. The stage volume will prevail. It's a pretty delicate balance in a smaller room.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:57 am
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That's what is hard to understand. The amps are supposedly "unreliable", "can't cut a mix", (insert other explicative) and yet they are the amps of choice for those shops that rent gear, and are the best selling amps in the world. I can see price point being a factor, but if the amps were as bad as a few claim, no one would rent them, and sales would plummit. And there are many cheaper amps available, especially in the SS area, so price isn't the major factor involved. As has been pointed out, for the pros, the sound is their reputation. And the HRds are prolific on stages as has also been pointed out.

I have heard many crappy sounding bands that use all kinds of amps, MB, Marshall, TR, DR, on and on with the variety of amps. That's right, the mighty TR can sound horrible in the wrong hands (who knows what tubes or mods it has). I would rarely blame the amp, especially considering the thousands that use the same amps and sound good. When I hear "can't cut a mix", I have to wonder who in the heck is doing the mixing and why not jump his case instead of yelling at the amp. :lol: I also don't understand how the "icepick in the forehead" sound is also described as not cutting the mix. :? My HRDlx can easily be heard over drummer, bass player, and another guitar player. I have often been asked to turn it down.....maybe my playing? :o My BJr also has no problem keeping up with a drummer and bass player, but I certainly can't compete with a 100 watt MB. I have never been told that my amps sound bad, nothing but surprise and compliments about the tone. I saw Ozzie at Deer Creek years ago, and I was sitting on the right side of the stage and could barely hear Ozzie, horrible sounding mix. When I moved out to the lawn I could hear him perfectly and the mix was much better. Yet another factor in live sound, that can be attributed to many things except the amps that anyone was using. Sitting right in front of any amp can also be unpleasant for the ears. :wink:

In your defense though, I don't blame you one bit for the ire that you felt/feel about your particular HRDlx after it let you down so many times. I would also say that your experience with the HRds is far from common, and your amp's problems don't then become common to all HRd models, and yet somehow skips all other models made. With any warranty repair, many techs will only fix what they get paid for (which isn't much for a warranty repair), and not give the amp a thorough inspection which could reveal all problems with one trip to the shop. Understandable, if you only get 45 minutes paid by Fender, probably won't spend the hour and a half on preventative maintenance checking for common issues. Any and all amps that I work on get a thorough solder joint inspection as part of the repair, whether or not any problems were disclosed to me. I find poor joints many, many times, recently even the mighty Marshall JCM 600 from the eighties had one bad solder joint on a screen grid resistor. Had I only addressed the tube issues, the solder joint would have become a problem in short order. (sound familiar?)

Almost all of the problems that you have described with your HRDlx, are common to all similar, modern, mass-produced amps. With the HRDlx, it all comes down to the 16 volt supplies as the only problem exclusive the the HRDlx and Bdlx, and not all have problems. The supply problems do not occur on the HRDvl, BDvl, BJr or ProJr, as they don't have the same supply as the HRDlx. Which is what seems to be portrayed here, that they are all the same as far as reliability and sound deficiencies. Not the case at all.

I think that many facts presented are often ignored, whether willfully or subconsciously. A poster stated that he has used the BJr on stage for gigging professionally, followed by a response of "if that's the only amp that you have, and only play in the bedroom then you might like the sound" (paraphrased). Sound, well that's usually just a matter of taste....unless bias get's in the way. :wink:

Just in case, I have an Egnater Twkr 40 and a HRDlx and the output tube sockets on both amps are mounted to the chassis, soldered to a circuit board, and preamp tube sockets are board mounted, no difference. With the improvements on the HRDlx version III, the circuit boards are even on par with the Twkr also. Claims of "better build quality" in the Egnater over the HRDlx are just ignoring the obvious. Most of the Chinese made, or Mex made amps are going to be the same as far as quality and construction. Generally speaking, one cheap foreign made part is as good as another. I'm sure that the Chinese do an extra special job on the Egnater and reserve their bad performances for everyone else's products. And of course the Mexicans only screw up the HRds but do a great job on other models. (cut me some slack, I have to get a little razz in once in awhile). :P

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:11 am
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The whole entire world? :lol: Are there numbers to back that up?

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:13 am
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The whole entire world? :lol: Are there numbers to back that up? Maybe the most popular Fender amp, because they're more affordable than their higher end amps. Much like Marshall's Class 5 ans Haze series may be more popular than their higher end amps.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:03 pm
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You doubt what Fender claims? :shock: :lol: That's all that I have to go on, couldn't swear to it in court though. :idea:

I know that typically we hear from many members all over the world that own HRds. I guess that they could be part of a campaign from Fender to help fool us. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:14 pm
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I think It's all marketing hype. Behringer makes some of the cheapest gear in the world, I would think they would be the best selling in the universe!! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:50 pm
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What's a trem tick?


A trem tick is when the Vibrato circuit (more properly called tremolo) exhibits a slight ticking sound at higher intensity settings. My old SF Vibrolux Reverb used to do this. It was an issue that developed over time. It was very easily cured with a zip-tie. Some wires which had not been properly securely slowly moved towards the Vibrato curcuit and induced a ticking sound where it wasn't supposed to be. You're an amp guru so you likely have all of your amps in tip top shape. In the hands of lesser mortals some older amps can tick if the owners don't know what to look for. I did not know what to look for but my amp tech did. He fixed it in 30 seconds right there at the counter and did not charge me for it.

Trem ticks are not an issue worth talking about.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:54 pm
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What happened to Arjay's post? I quoted him but now it's gone.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:56 pm
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Maybe it was like coitus interruptus. With all of the BJr talk, he got too excited and had to "pull out". :lol:

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I just checked the thread again, and his posts are still there. The one that you quoted is on page one.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:51 pm
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I hope Arjay's just out on vacation. Haven't heard from him in a while.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:05 pm
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I hope Arjay's just out on vacation. Haven't heard from him in a while.


+1, I don't think he's posted since his Silverface Reissue post. Hopefully he's hunkered down in the workshop filling orders. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:36 pm
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63supro wrote:
I think It's all marketing hype. Behringer makes some of the cheapest gear in the world, I would think they would be the best selling in the universe!! :lol:


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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:48 pm
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That was a joke between me and Lou. All you want to do is start an argument. Why don't you just put me on your foe list and be done with me. :wink: Me and Lou torment each other all the time. It's all harmless.

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Post subject: Re: Does anybody NOT like the Blues Junior.
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:56 pm
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63supro wrote:
That was a joke between me and Lou. All you want to do is start an argument. Why don't you just put me on your foe list and be done with me. :wink: Me and Lou torment each other all the time. It's all harmless.


Nice come back. You are not my foe. You are my oldest forum friend. Plus, anybody who would use a foe gizmo is chicken $@!&.


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